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Flying over Watchmen (Article) - 3/13/2009 12:24:10 PM

Darkknight, I think the reason they no longer sell real looking toy guns is that robbers were using them to commit robberies.  I also seem to remember a news item about a teenager who while playing with such a toy gun was killed by police who thought he was threatening them with a real weapon.

Flying over Watchmen (Article) - 3/13/2009 12:17:25 PM

Sorry Hobbs, I guess I did misread your comment.

Gauleyboy, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I felt  it was glorifying the violence and pretty much showing gore because it could, not for any grand purpose.  A movie is, after all, entertainment.  I went to the film to be entertained.  Far from entertaining me, I found the violence distressing and uncomfortable.  Therefore, the movie failed in it's purpose in this facet for me. 

I am aware that there are people who do find the portrayal of gore and ultra violence to be entertaining.  Those are the poeple who watch slasher films and, for want of a better term, what is poplurlarly called torture porn, films such as Saw and Hostel.  Since those films were popular and both have several sequels I guess there are enough of such people to form a sizable fan base. Doubtless they enjoyed all the blood and gore in Watchmen.  But are they a sizable enough segment of the population to support what is supposed to be a major tent pole film with a huge budget?  I guess we're going to find out.

And if I wanted "real", I'd watch a documentary about a war or the Holocaust.  I wouldn't watch a film about  blue guys who can teleport to Mars.


WATCHMEN the Week After (Article) - 3/13/2009 4:27:04 AM

This is where the pirate comic in the original was so important.  The stranded sailor was just a regular guy, a man with a wife and kids who did his work and raised his family.  After his ship is attacked and he is stranded on the island, he becomes convinced that his home and family are in danger.  He performs increasingly savage and grotesque acts with the best of motives, to return home and save his family.  By the end of his tale he has, in the service of his heroic intentions, become a monster as terrible as the ghost pirates on the ship and performed actions just as evil.  He has damned himself. 

And that is JUST what Ozymandis did.  In the quest of world peace and the salvation of humanity he bacame the most brutal mass murderer in history.

Flying over Watchmen (Article) - 3/13/2009 4:10:31 AM

The pussyfication of America huh?  Well, maybe I am a pussy.  What can I say?

I didn't object to the violence, per say.  I expected violence.  I objected to the way the violence was portrayed.  Snyder seems to love gore and the gory portrayal of violence.  But parts of the movie made me really uncomfortable.  I don't pay $8 to see a movie to be made to feel uncomfortable and judging by what some of you guys report I'm not alone.  I doubt those people you saw leave the theater left because they didn't like the sex or the action.  I imagine they left because they didn't like the gore.

The pirate sub plot WAS violent and gory.  But it made a point, the gore was there for a reason.  Certain scenes in the movie HAD to be gory and bloody.  When Roscharch threw the dead dogs at the pervert it had to be shocking and when he threw the fryer oil on the inmate had to be horrible.  When the Comedian tried to rape Sally Jupiter it had to be brutal and the beaten, bloody Sally had to be pathetic.

But a lot of the gore I saw in the movie seemed gratuitous and unnecessary.  You didn't have to show the broken bones of the muggers in the alley or the gooey remains of the mobsters that Dr Manhattan killed in the resturant.  I think that the extra gore diluted the power of the scenes that DID have to be visceral and bloody.  It made it difficult to tell which scenes were important and which were just an exercise in cool special effects.  My objections are as much about the artistic choices Snyder made as they are about seeing something yucky.

If that makes me a pussy then... meow.

And can't we have differences of oppinion around here without stooping to name calling?  Aren't we adults?



Flying over Watchmen (Article) - 3/12/2009 4:32:24 AM

OK, some of you guys like graphic violence.  You like slasher films and torture porn and other movies that spray blood and gore all over the screen. I get that. 

I'm a Watchman fan who doesn't like it a lot.  I try to avoid movies that portray such images.  Yes, the book was very violent and bloody but it didn't, how shall I put this, celebrate the violence quite so much.  In the book, nobody liked the violence.  People like Nite Owl and Silk Specter acted violently because they felt it was the only tool that would get the job done.  Rocharch did violence because he felt that amoral criminals who did violence deserved to have the same violence done back to them, but he didn't enjoy it.  The only character who really grooved on the violence was The Comedian whom everybody can agree was a real bastard.

The movie gloried in the violence, the broken bones, the severed limbs the blood spurting all over the place.  In every instance (except one) the movie amplified the gore factor of every fight scene or character death.  The only exception was the death of Big Figure where we see Roscharch approach him menacingly and then the water comes out from under the bathroom door.  Would the scene have been better if we had seen Roscharch drown him in the toilet?  I think not.  It worked better the way it was filmed.  And I wish some of the other violence in the film had been handled with similar restraint.

As for the R rating being a clue, those of us who have read the book know that the story contains a graphic sex scene, a violent attempted rape and a lot of full frontal male nudity.  If no one had thrown a single punch in the movie those things would have meant an R rating.



Unspecified Title (Article) - 3/10/2009 4:16:36 AM

Well, I agree with Nell.  Not for the sake of families with kids but for me.  I'm not the kind of person who likes slasher movies or movies with lots of graphic violence.  I've read Watchmen many times but I wasn't expecting that.


Certain scened had to be graphic such as the one where Rocharch douses the inmate with hot  fryer oil.  But most of the violence was not portrayed so graphicly in the book.  In the book Laurie and Dan were attacked in an alley and defeated the prospective muggers.  You saw some unconcious guys strewn around.  You didn't see protruding broken bones or splattering blood.  When Dr Manhattan killed the mafia guys in the resturant you saw some guys go "poof", you didn't see their dinner companions drenched with blood and their bones and intestines hanging off the ceiling.

I never saw 300, mostly because it was advertised as the kind of film that has graphic violence and I don't like that kind of stuff.  Had I known that Watchmen would be so graphicly violent I still would have seen it (though I wouldn't have brought that particurlar friend with me).  But I would have been prepared.  As it was I felt blindsided.  I expected the R rating to refer to the sex scene with Dan and Laurie and the full frontal nudity of Dr Manhattan, which would have gotten the picture an R rating if ther film contained no violence at all


WATCHMEN Tops Box Office (Article) - 3/9/2009 10:55:51 AM

Veidt blew up other cities including Moscow and Paris and some others.  We saw them briefly on his view screens.  Given that he blew up the capitals of other countries Veidt should have destroyed Washington DC rather than NYC but it was NYC in the comic so I guess it had to be NYC in the movie.  Besides, EVERYBODY loves to pick on New York City.


A TV King Rises (Article) - 3/9/2009 10:50:32 AM

Well, I missed Lost last week so I'm glad I get a chance to see it this week.

WATCHMEN Tops Box Office (Article) - 3/9/2009 10:22:18 AM

Thank you joeybaloney.  At least SOMEONE read that long post I wrote and had something to say about it.

Perhaps I was too negative in stating what I didn't like about the film.  There were many really good things about it too.  I loved what they did with Rocharc's mask and as I formerly stated, with the scenes on Mars.  All the prison scenes were really good and the action was terrific.  The actors, particurlarly the ones who played Roscharc and the Comedian, knocked it out of the park.  The set design, costuming etc was perfect and the music choices were mind blowingly perfect. 

They actually got the flashback format to work way better than I expected. 

Like joeybaloney I disliked that Veidt framed Dr Manhattan rather than identifying an outside, alien source for the destruction.  Perhaps something other than the squid could have been devised if they couldn't make that convincing but I felt that a glowing ball of destruction was a cop out.

Most of all, I regret that the heart of the movie, the meaning was lost.  I guess the full experience of Watchemn really is unfilmable in a format short enough to do as a movie.  2 hours and 40 minutes just wasn't long enough to pack it all in.

WATCHMEN Tops Box Office (Article) - 3/9/2009 3:52:51 AM

That should have read "I'd give it an A- or a B plus"  For some reason it won't let me include a plus sign.

I miss the edit feature.


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