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Darkknight2280 10/8/2007 6:47:03 AM
First i will say IM not sure which of you are right about this particular subject. I am a huge star wars fan, however, I dont know all the secret lives or George and the editors. But I will say heart palpitations can be caused by extreme stress (hypertension) I know this because I was diagnosted with hypertension and one of syptoms (per the doctor) was that I was having heart palpitations. Another thing I do know is that Wikipedia is not 100% acurate. I could go in there right now and put whatever B.S. I want in there and no one will check it for accuracy. Take anything from Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
macgawd 10/8/2007 9:09:32 AM
All I know is this: My parents took me to see Star Wars when I was 10 in 1979, and I thought it was the greatest movie ever made. Cut to several decades later when Lucas released the "Star Wars: Special Edition" into theaters: I had not seen these movies since I was a kid, and holy crap, was I appalled at how cheesy the dialog was! "Laser brain"? "Scruffy looking Nerf Herder"? WTF?! The only saving grace of these movies is the actors themselves, who were miraculously able to deliver atrocious dialog and make it seem natural. Regardless of Lucas' writing skills, my view of Star Wars is now forever skewed by the Steve Oderkirk classic "Thumb Wars". "Touch your tongue to mine!"
monkeyfoot 10/8/2007 10:39:06 AM
I first saw Star Wars those many moons ago, on the opening Memorial Day weekend in 1977. At the time I marveled at the incredible FX and sets but realized the dialogue was silly and the plot predictable (Of course Luke's going to use the Force and destroy the Death Star. Of course Han is going to come back to help.) I got the souvenir booklet and the "May the Force Be With You" button they gave out to everyone for free (still have the booklet.) I consider that movie a pivotal moment in my life and also cinematic history. Movies in front of and behind the camera have never been the same again. Whether you are a Lucas hater or lover his impact on movies and entertainment have been history making. I consider the entire Star Wars series a flawed classic. I don't think the prequels suck. But I don't think Lucas had the scripting and directing skills together to make it all as good as it could be. I admire the mighty attempt of what he was trying to do and what he was able to accomplish. Whether you liked them or not kids wil still be glued to the screens enjoying these films 20 years from now without worrying about movie critiques and reviews. I'm a fan of these films but geez, metalwater and mlaforcer I'm surprised you guys don't know what George had for breakfast everyday of the shooting or what his favorite sexual position is :-)
trazalca 10/8/2007 12:52:31 PM
LOL Wow. Talk about derailing a thread. Jarrod, I feel really sorry for you. It is obvious that you put a lot of time and effort in putting in a very coherent and strong argument in the case and history of script development in Hollywood regarding the Logan's Run story, and using it as a fine example. You gave a compelling start for talk about scripts, then it becomes one about Lucas's desperation to remember what follows after the letters A - B - C, and his ex-wife's debatable editing skills. (like I care) Star Wars geeks took over. How funny. I love this site. :D
laforcer69@yahoo.com_home 10/8/2007 3:07:34 PM
monkeyfoot...That's funny...He likes it doggy style because he has a bad back plus his 18 year old girl friend can't stand his hairy big belly bouncing off of her... trazalca...No one asked you to care and no one cares that you don't care, so take care and lick my hairy nuts...Now how do you care?
metalwater 10/8/2007 6:24:05 PM
Once again...M La Forcer, I am quoting Lucas about his ex wife--if you don't like his repeated claims about her saving Star Wars with her edit of the film, then take it up with him. Now, in regard to the heart palpitation issue, if you carefully study my writing...you will noticed that I mentioned stress, and pressure from various sources causing that stress, as the reason for the heart palpitations--in both Lucas' and Spielberg's case. Let's remember that you claimed that Lucas stopped directing because he admitted that he was not a good director, well...I can't speak to that...(since I have never heard said statements) but according to repeated claims from various Hollywood insiders and Lucas biographers, just as I said, it was the heart palpitations that caused him to retire from directing films for over 20 years. Again...FYI, I already pointed this out well ahead of you, that it was that very stress which was blamed for Lucas' condition. (For clarification on this matter, see the paragragh about Spielberg in my last post) PS-To: Monkeyfoot Lucas had Cheerios everyday for breakfast while filming Star Wars...and yes, M La is right--Lucas likes doggie style. Actually, I was kidding about the latter two: I have no idea.
laforcer69@yahoo.com_home 10/8/2007 8:03:39 PM
Metal...You are absolutely right about the stress thing and heart condition...I should have found that out first before saying anything...I asked a friend of mine who is a doctor and he said that extreme stress can lead to heart problems, that is my bad... But I do have to ask you where you got your info as far as Coppola stealing the script of Apocalypse Now from Lucas who by the way did not write the script, here are the details that I have. The film was originally written in the late 1960s by John Milius, who would later direct films such as The Wind and the Lion and Red Dawn. Milius claims to have been inspired by his film professor's claim that no one had successfully adapted the book Heart of Darkness, despite attempts by such legendary directors as Orson Welles and Richard Brooks. Ironically, given that the finished film is seen as an anti-war movie, Milius, who is politically a rightist, originally conceived the title as a cynical answer to the leftist hippie slogan "Nirvana Now!" and his original screenplay includes several speeches by Kurtz extolling the virtues of combat and the warrior way of life. The script was originally to be directed by George Lucas, who was then Coppola's protege at American Zoetrope. Coppola founded Zoetrope to create an alternative to the major Hollywood studios which would support the work of the rising generation of film-school graduates who would become known colloquially as "the movie brats." The war in Vietnam was still active at the time and the initial plan was to shoot Apocalypse Now guerilla-style in Vietnam itself. Warner Bros., which had a production deal with Zoetrope, refused to finance the project both for commercial reasons and the fear that the filmmakers would be killed trying to shoot it in a war zone. Lucas has claimed that the studio saw the project, as well as him and his colleagues, as "crazy." After Lucas found success with American Graffiti, Coppola chose to direct the film himself. This reportedly caused some friction between the two men. Coppola chose to finance the film entirely with his own assets, using money earned from the two Godfather films and a bank loan, in order to retain total creative control over the final product...
metalwater 10/8/2007 10:58:39 PM
I don't know if Lucas got the credit for the script or not...but he did write it, and based it upon a book about Vietnam that had made a big impression on him--its name, I don't know...but the info about the fall out between Lucas and Coppola, and the theft of the script Apocalypse Now, came out in a biography about 6 years ago: and much of the information that I am talking about. Although I have forgotten the name of the book, and did not read it, I did see various interviews about the subject matter...and if I remember correctly, Charlie Rose was one of the interviewers that covered the book in detail. Lucas used to be used a servant of Coppola...and used to serve coffee to him and other big shot directors, including Roman Polanski and Peter Bogdanovich. They used to ignore Lucas like he was the invisible man in the room.
metalwater 10/8/2007 11:18:19 PM
I did some research...I think the book is called Skywalking: Here is an article on it: The Life and Films of George Lucas Are the Focus of Dale Pollock's Skywalking Follow the Path of a Film Visionary's Storied Career that Includes the Creation of Star Wars, Indiana Jones By Alex Diaz-Granados Published Jun 01, 2006 The Life and Films of George Lucas Are the Focus of Dale Pollock's Skywalking http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/34673/the_life_and_films_of_george_lucas.html When you're directing, you have to wake up at four thirty drive an hour to location, start shooting at eight, and finish shooting at six. Then you wrap, go to your office, and set up the next day's work. You get back to your hotel about eight or nine, hopefully get a bite to eat, then you go to your room and figure out your homework, how you're going to shoot the next day's scenes, and then you go to sleep. The next morning it starts all over again. - writer-director George Lucas, quoted in Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas. In the late afternoon of June 12, 1962, a 17-year-old high school senior named George Walton Lucas, Jr. with a love for fast cars and a D-plus grade average, was driving home from the Modesto (Calif.) public library after a few hours of pre-final exam cramming. Like his future creations Anakin and Luke Skywalker, young George was a daydreamer; on this fateful day his mind was on racing cars and a planned trip to Europe with his best friend, John Plummer. But he had to get his grades up with the finals, or else his parents wouldn't pay for the trip. Deciding to go home, George drove east on Sylvan Road through Modesto's scraggly pastureland. He pushed the tiny Fiat's two-cylinder engine as far as it would go, more than sixty miles an hour. The sun streamed in through what used to be the roof. George had flipped the car going around a curve and had installed a roll bar in place of the bashed-in roof. Lucas loved to drive. He savored the thrill of taking a corner on two wheels. He would race the Fiat back and forth on acres of walnut trees. He had seen friends of his killed in car crashes - seven schoolmates died behind his house when their car, going one hundred miles an hour, ran into a tree. But it didn't slow him down. As he neared the Lucas ranch, George began to make the turn into the short dirt road that led up to the house. It was around 5:00 P.M., and the sun was slowly sinking behind him. He took a look at his rearview mirror, saw nothing, and turned. At that moment, he heard the roar of an engine and a wildly honking horn. Frank Ferreira, seventeen, was barreling down the road in his Chevy Impala. The Fiat was directly in his path. Ferreira tried to go around it but instead hit the small car broadside, directly where George was sitting. - Dale Pollock, Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas. Considering the impact of Lucas' career as a writer, director, producer, and chief executive of a multi-media empire that not only encompasses the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films but includes books, computer and video games, sound design and engineering, digital effects hardware and software, and the brave new world of digital cinematography, it's hard to believe that it could all have ended on that dirt road near the small town of Modesto. Indeed, in the photo section of Dale Pollock's unauthorized biography, Skywalking, there is a photograph of Lucas' Fiat, smashed against a tree, a strong image of the event that changed Lucas' life drastically. Before the crash, George had been a "perennial goof-off who never bothered to plan ahead." After the crash, Lucas became goal-oriented and focused. "You can't have that kind of experience and not feel that there is a reason why you're here," Lucas explains. "I realized I should be spending my time figuring out what that reason is and fulfill it...." First published in 1983 at around the same time as the premiere of Star Wars - Episode VI: Return of the Jedi and updated in 1999 to coincide with the release of Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Dale Pollock's unofficial biography of one of the most influential filmmakers in the history of cinema is a very readable and informative work. With the cooperation of Lucas himself, Pollock traces the writer-director's career from his roots in small town California, his days as a bright film student at the University of Southern California, his partnership with Godfather director Francis Ford Coppola (who co-produced Lucas' first box-office smash American Graffiti), and, of course, the making of his two most famous movie projects, the Star Wars and Indiana Jones series. Although Pollock's book rightly focuses on Lucas' amazing Horatio Alger-like story and his successes, he also delves into the less-than-successful film and TV projects Lucas has lent his name to (Howard the Duck, More American Graffiti, The YoungIndiana Jones Chronicles) and the less-than-happy ending of his marriage to acclaimed film editor Marcia Lucas, who filed for divorce just as Return of the Jedi was becoming the big hit for 1983 and left Lucas to raise their adopted daughter Amanda by himself. (Lucas has since adopted several other children; they have made cameo appearances as minor characters in the Star Wars prequels.) For fans of Lucas' films, the chapters on the making of American Graffiti, Star Wars, and the Indy trilogy will be the big draw of Skywalking. I found Chapter Six ("The Vision of Star Wars") particularly fascinating; the making of what is now known as Episode IV: A New Hope was no cakewalk; props failed to work, rain made the Tunisian desert (where the scenes set on Tatooine were shot) into a mudhole, and the studio execs at 20th Century Fox were making George Lucas' life miserable by threatening to cut off the cash flow if the director didn't finish "that science film." After reading this part of the book and learning that Lucas had to be hospitalized for exhaustion and stress, I was impressed. Pollock's style is informative yet never didactic; he delves into the workings of Lucas' creative process and filmmaking in general without bogging down the reader with jargon or pretentious phrasings. And although this is not an "official" biography, the author benefitted from the full cooperation of George Lucas, which not only enabled Pollock to interview the man but also his family, friends, and colleagues. (A fact I learned from this book: George Lucas very much wanted to direct Apocalypse Now, a project he and Francis Ford Coppola - with others - had been working on for several years. He asked Coppola to wait until Star Wars was done, but his friend and former American Zoetrope partner refused. The friendship chilled for a while when Coppola went off to the Philippines to shoot the Vietnam War epic, but in a roundabout way he acknowledged Lucas' contribution to the movie; if you look closely at the name tag on Harrison Ford's character's Army blouse, you'll see the name "G. Lucas" stenciled neatly.) Another useful section of Skywalking is the filmography that follows the final chapter of the main narrative. Starting with Lucas' first student film, 1965's Look at Life, it includes all the films (up to 1999's The Phantom Menace) written, directed, and/or produced by the man who took audiences on a journey to "a galaxy far, far away...."
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