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StarlightGuard 4/24/2009 4:08:34 AM

hobbs, you sure you want to be a dragon slayer....cause dragon's good.....

the Order of the Dragon was a chivalric institution (that had Dracula as a member) which was designed to keep Christianity safe from pagan influences

also dragons were also pre-Christian symbols that symbolized feminine strength....something else angry male christians didn't want so they damn it.....like lillith, and pretty much anything else you can think of

 

StellaMaris 4/24/2009 10:30:45 AM

I hate to disappoint you boys, but I'm pretty boring to watch unless you're into architectural alignments and archangel archetypes!

Yes, Michael is a multicultural archangel archetype, which is extremely convenient. But, as Starlight hints, the purpose of the slaying is to achieve a BALANCE, which is why he's sometimes shown with scales. Dragons can be cuddly once they're tamed...

Washington Cathedral also has a moon rock embedded into a stained glass window and a Darth Vader gargoyle. I knew one of the stone masons there, I still have a gargoyle that he carved on my desk, I collect gargoyles. It will be interesting to see if Washington Cathedral makes it into Brown's book, but I suspect he'll go for the more obvious locations. 

Good question about the WWII monument! I left DC for London before it was built - I remember reading about the controversy, but I never thought to check how it affected the alignments. Is on my list now. 

Starlight - I think you mean the SOCIETY of the Dragon, which was founded in 1408 by Sigismund. Vlad II was received into the Society in Jan or Feb 1431 and was thereafter known as 'Dracul', the Dragon. It was his son, Vlad Draculea (the Dragon's Son), who was the historical Dracula. It's a fascinating history.  

My fave chivalric order is the Company of the Star, though, as their theme song was Ave Maris Stella! ;-)

StarlightGuard 4/24/2009 11:42:40 AM

well, you see my books have it listed as Order of the Dragon...not society.....but I think this isn't really worth getting upset about....it's pretty much the same damnedt hing

hey hobbs, we should marry her.....she's smart

rrrrrrrawwwwwwrrrrrrr baby

StellaMaris 4/24/2009 1:09:05 PM

Depends on your books. I use the bible of chivalric orders, The Knights of the Crown by D'A.J.D. Boulton:-

http://www.amazon.com/Knights-Crown-Monarchical-Knighthood-1325-1520/dp/0851157955/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240603288&sr=8-1

There IS an Order of the Dragon, or Dragon Order, but that's a can of worms...

And you'd HATE being married to me... try to imagine a REALLY obnoxious version of Hermione from Harry Potter combined with Edie from Absolutely Fabulous... pretty scary, eh?

StarlightGuard 4/24/2009 3:01:21 PM

I like Hermione.......I've never seen Absolutely Fabulous......but Hermione, oh yeah......teach me Emma, teach me.....make me sit in the corner and punish me all night long Hermione baby

ever read The Historian stella?

if you can out do us cerebreally, then you may very well enjoy this novel from a few years ago.....

a lot of my books are the obvious: Michael Baigent, Sylvia browne (for a supernatural view of things), Andrew Sinclair, a lot of "Complete Idiot's Guides to...." and "dummies" books, a hell of a lot of documentaries, and so on...

ghosts are my strongest suit....but DaVinci Code came around and grabbed my interest so I started reading outside my field......

Hobbs 4/24/2009 9:28:46 PM

I love how my profession got as much talk as Dan Brown's new novel. lol

As much as I LOVE intelligent women I don't think the Mrs would appreciate me asking for another's hand so if you'll have him Stella, Starlight is all yours!  Stella and I will have to settle for friendship and oh yeah, honey if you are reading this you are very intellectual as well. :)

I read the Historian, wasn't as blown away by it like others were.  It was clever but I struggled to make it through that one.  If you are  fan and Vlad the impaler I would recommend it...or I should say the legend of Vlad. 

Starlight did you read Joe HIll (stephen kings son) book the heart shaped box?  It was a good Ghost story and well written.

Stella, you are going to get me hooked on all kinds of new subjects by the time we are done!  If you do every check into the DC WW2 momument and its impact on the design of the city please drop me an e-mail. I would really like to know if that's what all the controversy was about.  Of course I could probably just google it but seeing how well you know these things I would rather hear it from you then some random web page.

 

Hobbs 4/24/2009 9:49:30 PM

I just checked out your link Stella, can you give a short review of it?  I was hoping to see some on there but not ONE review...granted the book is 9 years old and probably not something most want to get but I would like to get a sense of the book.  Various reviews help from time to time.  You called it the bible of chivalric orders.  That's pretty high praise.

StellaMaris 4/26/2009 7:39:22 AM

Hi, I'm back. Apprentice Archangel Hobbs... The Knights of the Crown is an academic encyclopedia of all the Monarchical Orders set up in Europe from 1325-1520. It's an absolutely essential resource if you're investigating faux chivalric orders, as it allows you to tell at a glance where any fabrications that deviate from historically documented facts are. 

I have a hardback copy which cost approx $100, so I wouldn't recommend anyone to fork out that much (even the paperback copies are expensive) unless you are as sad as I am. But, I use it as a reference for my writing a lot, so it was worth it for me. 

Starlight - I haven't read The Historian, it looks interesting. The book I have on Dracula is called In Search of Dracula: The History of Dracula and Vampires (Completely Revised) by Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu, two Boston College professors who are recognised authorities. 

Somebody very kindly gave it to me when I was preparing to visit Transylvania on a research trip, but I never made it. 

It's been great chatting with you... if I don't reply for some reason, it's because I get busy and don't always check all the Mania sections, so you might have to flag me down. You can always find me here, in my own little Universe:-

http://www.mania.com/235-degrees_category_136.html

mmandy2 5/8/2009 4:15:19 PM

Can't wait to read his third book.  I really liked the Da Vinci code.

mmandy2 5/8/2009 4:15:51 PM

Can't wait to read his third book.  I really liked the Da Vinci code.

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