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ElBaz13 5/7/2012 7:49:53 AM


DC has always been the bigger company of the two thanks to the financial backing of  WB. Look prior to 2000 and see the movie and TV productions done on DC characters vs Marvel. Lundgren's Punisher? At least DC had Warner to financially support them for anything. Flash TV show, Batman movies, top notch syndicated cartoons (JLA, Bats and Supes) while Marvel was still the "little guy", pawning off rights to different companies to produce so-so animated cartoons and next to no movies until 2000. Marvel even had the bankruptcy years ago which could have ruined the company.

As for poaching talent, I think this "war" between the two has been going on for decades. You can say DC did the same when they snagged Mark Waid and Alex Ross from Marvel in the mid-90s. If I'm not mistaken, DC was also the first of the two to start signing artists/writers on exclusive contracts (meaning they couldn't work freelance for the other company). As for Mark Millar, he clashed many times with DC and WB that he left knowing he would have more creative freedom with Marvel and Joe Q as EIC.

Wiseguy 5/7/2012 9:12:05 AM

vitieddie, what ElBaz said, DC has been part WB for decades. As for the writers it was normal for them to go back and forth, both com[panies have great characters and writers I'm sure money aside would love to take a shot nat all of them. Marvel on the other hand was a solo company that went through bankruptcy and as result X-Men, DareDevil, Fnatastic Four and Spidey all reside with other studios

greyhoundsrule 5/7/2012 9:22:50 AM

I am really going to be interested in which scenes were deleted and if a longer director's cut will be released with the scenes in it.

Saw it again yesterday in IMAX 3-D and it was even more incredible.

One thing I don't understand is why people actually get up to leave when the credits begin to roll? If anyone has seen a Marvel movie or knows anyone who has, they should know there is something at the end of most of them.

violator14 5/7/2012 9:24:15 AM

You know what's kinda sad/even crazier about these box office reports, is that it doesn't even capture the FULL potential of what could have been made over the weekend. I know ALOT of my friends/family that wanted to watch it this weekend but couldnt cuz it was either sold out everywhere or the lines were just wayy too long. Craziness.

obsidian 5/7/2012 9:42:49 AM

@Hanso - I would love to see a Justice League movie too but it would be an even greater challenge for the writers and directors than the Avengers.  Whedon benefited from an ecosystem of established franchises, creative talent, and corporate support that had four years of success spawning multiple franchises. To produce the Justice League first, all of those characters will have to be created from scratch in terms of a cinematic DC Universe.  The movie would be awful expensive and unlike Disney, Warners would not be playing with characters the public has already embraced in their separate franchises in the recent past.  It's an awfully risk proposition.

The only guy on the planet I would think crazy enough to accept that impossible mission would be Joss Whedon....but would the suits at Warners have the stones to make that call?  If a Justice League movie fails...even if it's only moderately successful that would still be considered a failure...then you just might have screwed the pooch for a lot of potential franchises.

Of course, I hope that Warners does try a Justice League movie but they definitely need a gifted ubergeek like Whedon to climb that mountain.

dalgoda 5/7/2012 10:00:12 AM

Supposedly, the Ruffalo/Harry Dean Stanton scene was much longer but one of the things they had to cut. It might also explain how he controls the Hulk much better at the end of the movie.


Wiseguy 5/7/2012 10:05:46 AM

I think if DC just wants to test or to prepare evryone for a JL film without building each franchise first the safe way would be to do a World's Finest Batman/Superman team up. That would totally rock then throw in something where Batman identifies some huge threat coming or says something about other superheroes whose help they'll need and have them recruit them in the JL film. Then after you can do solo films, prequels with their origins if you want or just straight forward

I think DC/WB abandoned that Mortal film for 2 things, the tax credits from Australia expired and the fanboy uproar. I think I was one of the few cool with what I had read. Fighting OMACs and a couple of hero on hero fights, it sounded awesome to me

RaithManan 5/7/2012 10:44:57 AM

Loki let me say this.  Your plan to humble The Hulk was absolutely and unquestionably without any doubt, THE DUMBEST IDEA YOU COULD EVER THINK OF!!!

*opens door*

Raith: "Loki, are you alright?"

Loki: "Ugh....<<whimpers />> help.  That really did hurt.  I'm not the demi-god that I thought I was.  My back... my ass.... my back and my ass.  Need some morphine, an epsom salt bath.... some icy hot and a buttload of whatever painkillers you can give me.  MEDIC!!!"

lazarus 5/7/2012 10:54:02 AM

To explain the Hulk inconsistency. If you remember at the end of the Incredible Hulk he was meditating and working on controlling the change. I believe he had the ability all along but it is not easy. The initial change we see is caused by Loki channeling emotional turmoil via the staff in the meeting room which circumvented some of Banner's control techniques. Since that and Loki's plan was to unleash the Hulk on the Helicarrier I would say his influence pushed that change to be more violent and uncontrolled.

That in short is the only thing I can think of. Now here is a better question for the board.


Since SHIELD knew Hawk was compromised why were not all the codes changed and security updated? I.E. why would they simply be able to land one of their Quinjets with an old code saying they are transporting arms. Is security in the worlds largest and most advanced intelligence agency that lax? Pathetic. Normally an unauthorized aircraft gets shot down if it was that close. So THAT was my biggest complaint. Security just sucked for SHIELD. AND Stark was able to simply just hack their systems without issue or challenge. SHIELD is seriously looking like a group of super dumb asses.  

millean 5/7/2012 11:12:24 AM

Posted this on the other BO article, which is now outdated, but didn't realize it at the time.


OK, here is my 2 cents... (which I'm sure is worth less than an actual 2 cents)

I absolutely loved the movie.  It was the best representation of a comic book come to life that I've ever seen (though I'm still not ready to say it is my favorite comic book movie, but it is close).  :)

I loved all of the scenes with Banner/Hulk, but I don't think it was quite as cool as everyone was making it out to be.  (Again, it's awfully close, though).  My favorite scenes were with Stark/Banner, and I really hope that Ruffalo gets his Hulk solo movie.  I really got the impression that Banner appreciated the way Stark accepted him and treated him like he was just "one of the guys".  I like Ruffalo a lot better than Norton, though Norton wasn't bad by any means.

I'm glad it is kicking butt at the BO.  I know I have been a bit vocal on some other threads as to why I thought TDKR would beat out Avengers in the end at the BO.  I always thought that the Avengers would have a bigger opening weekend, and it definitely looks like that may very well be the case.  I can't see TDKR performing better the opening weekend.  However, it isn't a sprint, but a marathon and I think TDKR will have slightly longer legs than Avengers due to schedule and competition.  All that said, Avengers has set the bar pretty high and it may be out of reach by the time TDKR is realeased.  If so, I'll admit I'm wrong, and not be upset one little bit...

I thought the 2nd end credits scene was absolutely hilarious!  Just my style of humor.  :)

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