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jedibanner 1/14/2013 6:59:47 AM

I was so disapointed by Zero Dark Thirty...now I understand why there was no nods for best picture at the Oscar.

The CIA Agent was good, she saved the movie but the extent of justifying torture and killing innocent people to get one man...it's a whole debate that can be talked for decades.

 

goirish83 1/14/2013 7:15:04 AM

@jedibanner........I totally respect your opinion, hewever, let's not forget who that one person was, what he did, and how many innocent people were killed because of his actions.  So if a few terrorists, with the same blood on their hands as UBL get tortured, I have no problem with that.  In fact, it's actually being said that more information was achieved by non-torture interrogations anyway.  But you are correct, this is a debate that will be discussed for years, and unfortunatly, some politicians grandstanded over this whole issue.

monkeyfoot 1/14/2013 7:22:43 AM

Saw Django this weekend and really enjoyed it. It was A-class Tarentino style. Excellent characters and dialogue for actors to chew up the scenery with. Nobody seems to write that stuff better than him and he kept it to the right level instead of going overboard with it like in Death Proof. This was followed of course by QT's usual gory violence.

Hanso, I enjoyed Les Miz and have seen it on stage so I knew it was almost all singing but I think I would have liked it better if they sang to a sound track rather than live on camera. Sometimes they couldn't hold a note as long as I think they should have or Crowe just wasn't as good as the rest of the cast.

Walker 1/14/2013 7:40:22 AM

 @shac2846

But I don't know if it's the torture or the fact that it is based off true events and paints the CIA in a bad light at least according to people in congress. I never at any time felt bad for suspects being tortured especially after they admitted to being involved and flipped on some folk

It is not based on true events.  That is a large part of the controversy.  Torture was never necessary to obtain this information.  This has been verified by multiple sources from Senator John McCain, to the CIA, to former Guantanamo detainees (since released).

And the fact that you have no problem with these torture scenes is the entire problem.  These are techniques that does not work; our enemies designed these techniques to elicit false confessions (emphasis on false). Now we are taking these techniques created by our enemies and using them ourselves.  And because of Hollywood, people have this delusional fantasy that they are necessary.

jedibanner 1/14/2013 7:58:31 AM

goirish83, we disagree but the way you are saying is well written and totally fair...it's nice for once to have someone who disagree with you but yet still can express themselves respectedly.

And that debate itself is a risky one because it has become very political...does the end justify the means?

I believe it doesn't but it is very hard to keep that in mind when those types of atrocities happen so yes, I know who that one man is but, my preference would've been to take the guy alive and get him to confess his accomplices. And to be fair, it's not just a CIA, US method to use torture but has been used all around the world.

Was it used for real in this case? Who knows...the fact that there are people all around the world who specialize in these types of techniques is what I am not comfortable with.

 

hanso 1/14/2013 9:07:10 AM

Jedi,  Zero Dark Thirty was nominated for best picture.

Monkey, for Les Mis, they needed to auto tune Russell Crow and add some hip hop beats :)  i think ill finish the film and then watch the Neeson version if it aint a musical.

 

goirish83 1/14/2013 9:16:01 AM

@jedibanner....no problem, and thanks.  Too many posters on here act like dicks when they disagree with someone.

jedibanner 1/14/2013 9:35:54 AM

Hanso, true...I mixed up the director not being nominated Vs the movie not being nominated.

shac2846 1/14/2013 10:59:20 AM

 Walker it was my understanding that the man in custody at the beginning was handled using enhanced techniques and a few others. in addition the CIA director himself when speaking on the controversy stated that yes some of those techniques were used but he went on to say they were not the only thing that was used to get bin laden. They had this up on their own site at one point to address the controversy.

Hell it took ten years to get him and that is the point of the movie. They havent' denied the techniques only to what extent it was used to eventually get bin laden. McCain and Fienstein were objecting off of a report that they read. Mark Boal used to be a journalist before becoming a screenwriter and had confidential informants in the intelligence community that helped him get some facts not to mention the CiA helped with giving info to filmmakers.

Bigelow herself has stated in numerous interviews she is disgusted by the techniques but that was the reality of the info they were given. The "torture" was used in conjunction with years of survalliance and data collecting. Have you seen the movie? It doesn't come down on one side or the other in way of torture. The audience gets to decide for themself that's one of the things that makes the movie so good in my opinion beside the writing and Bigelow's direction and of course the acting. And if the film glorifies or justifies extreme torture how come so many "liberal" hollywood types are hailing it as a great movie. The reviews are excellent and 93 percent onf RT. 

jedi I respect your opinion but have to disagree. Thought it was a great film.  

jedibanner 1/14/2013 12:42:30 PM

shac2846, it's ok to disagree, many seem to like it, I didn't find it that good...it's not even really about the torture part or the violence and stuff but rather the way the story is portrait and how it was showned to evolved over the years.

I felt some gaps were missing and was just moving too fast when ''shifting'' from years to years.

 

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