Mania Editorial: The Hobbit in 48fps HFR Comments -


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joelr 12/18/2012 9:33:08 AM

@Wiseguy, still true. You have been going to the theater your whole life wanting that, and you imagination has been doing a lot of work, you just don't realize it. Now that you see something in HFR, and it feels "real", maybe you decide to prefer that, which is fine, but 10 years ago did you sit in a theater saying "I wish these movies were more real". I hightly doubt it.

Wiseguy 12/18/2012 9:44:49 AM

But we're not talking about 10 years ago, we're talking about now. You said "we don't want...."  so I'm saying you're wrong. Some of us maybe a lot of us, do want more lifelike, not 10 years back but now.



Wiseguy 12/18/2012 9:46:41 AM

I remember folk complaining about cd's too. Talking about how vinyl's imperfections and even dust on the record made it sound warmer while cd was too clear blah blah blah. Not saying it'll turn out the same but there's always resistance from the more stubborn or self proclaimed purists.

Sometimes people have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the new

joelr 12/18/2012 9:48:52 AM

I agree, sometimes a leap forwars is a painful one, but I don't see 48fps as moving forward. I'll conceed that that last sentence used "we" liberally, but Pter Jackson and cpmpany are making the same assumption, that "we" all want our films to look they way they do in 48fps, and that is a HUGE assumption.

jedibanner 12/18/2012 9:48:55 AM

Critics gives their perspective and only their own, I don't see how they are trying to make up people's mind Wiseguy, as if they are trying to brainwash people...who's talking about non-sense now????

And the response has not been fairly even (not talking about Mania's site but other mediums of communication).

You don't HAVE to see something and base an opinion out of it. If it sounds like crap, looks like crap, feels like crap, I ain't have to tase the crap.

We get like support support HFR...can't people disagree with you and not like what you like based on reviews and strong general opinion?

Like it was said before, some people like this new it for the best? Way, wayyyy too early to tell.

I would suggest you watch the documentary Side by Side about a great discussion regarding filming Digital Vs on films, it brings lots of pros and cons on the technology of how to make movies and even that debate is still not over so imagine trying to bring this new 48fs idea, how is that the futue when the look of movies isn't still finalized?

wish 12/18/2012 9:49:29 AM

I understand the differences between lines of resolution and frame rate, but my analogy was to indicate how it would ultimately force filmakers and fx artists to increase the quality of thier craft now that it would be displayed with more clarity, that was the only similarity I was trying to show. And of course people were asking for more realism in the movies, they've always been asking for that, they've been awarding people for thier work in fx and makeup for a long time afterall, I'd say that is one indication for the desire to more accurately replicate real life in film! Certainly not the only motivator but proof that the desire to see things in a more realistic way has always been there.

I understand your point of view though, I really do, I've been a musician writing songs since I was a young teenager and instead of increasing my overall love for all types of music, which most non-musicians expect a musician to do, it actually narrowed my view of what I like in music. Knowing something inside-out and having a high level of passion for something can make you much more opinionated on the subject, and definitely not more accepting to all variations of the craft.


joelr 12/18/2012 10:00:18 AM

@Wish, I do agree, making the FX artists etc. go above and beyond is a very good thing. Very good point. Like styles of music, HFR could have it's own genre per se, but I just don't want it to become the standard.

Wiseguy 12/18/2012 10:21:52 AM

I didn't say anyone was brainwashing anyone but the simpletons are easily coerced into thinking what others want. The difference is that I speak from 1st hand experience and the dullards don't yet opine as if they knew from experience

c net has a poll of folk that have seen the hfr and it's mostly positive. I've read at least a couple of articles talking about how outside of critics the opinion has been all over the place. The one thing skewing this are the ones talking without having seen it which are almost exclusively the ones letting themselves be led by  the aforementioned critics

I don't mind folk disagreeing with me. I don't have a problem with Joe, outside of his general "we" statement because at least he saw what he's criticizing and not talking out of his ass unlike....well you know, others.

jedibanner 12/18/2012 10:23:50 AM

Ahhh Wiseguy, sometimes you are too predictable.

But, seems we differ in our opinions once again, I feel comfortable enough to know that, just because we didn't see something but know enough about a subject I feel completelly ok with stating an opinion.

It's unfair to start comparing so and so websites on who's for it or who's opposed to HFR but, I do think the ''buzz'' for it is nowhere near what was anticipated (i'm sure even you would agree on that).

Chances are, if the whole thing was just HFR and not 3D, they would most likelly get more people into it but I'm sure adding both gimmicks isn't helping the ''development'' of the idea.

In any case, the movie itself is great and was loads of fun...can we agree on that?

Wiseguy 12/18/2012 10:26:52 AM

And Joe how are we to know what works, what fans want if it isn't tried?

PJ and the studio obviously don't believe everyone wants this otherwise the film would have been exclusively hfr. So no they're not assuming anything. They're trying something new and seeing what the response is. And at least this first weekend the response was positive with the hfr screens reportedly having the best box office numbers but of course it's early and the screens are very limited so no one can claim any victories yet.

I'm sure by the 2nd and 3rd films we'll have a much clearer answer and we'll see whether it's trending up or down

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