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hanso 7/7/2012 7:33:49 AM

I’m wondering why this changed. In the finished movie Peter gives Connors the alogrithm on a napkin, which feels small and casual. This scene of Peter at the chalkboard is more visually interesting, and ties in with the chalkboard in the prologue. Was there, perhaps, other dialogue that tied into that scene - and into Peter’s genetic destiny?

In the first and last trailers we hear a man - clearly Mr. Ratha - whispering ‘Do you think what happened to you, Peter, was an accident? Do you have any idea what you really are?’ That certainly sounds like a reference to Peter’s genetic destiny, and a clip that I don’t believe is in the finished film. Judging by the whisper I’m going to guess - and this is just a guess - that it is Ratha’s dying words to Peter after the Lizard does him in. This is a movie that seems like it should have at least one info dump dying declaration in it, and this would have been it.

And there’s more! The last two trailers released have Dr. Connors saying, mid-Lizard transformation, ‘If you want the truth about your parents, Peter, come and get it!’ What truth is that? There’s no ‘truth’ in the film, and Connors and Peter never have a good conversation about Peter’s parents. Going by the "ASM Deleted Scenes #1" image that line of dialogue may very well take place during the sewer encounter with Mr. Ratha.

By the way, it would make the end of the film work better if Peter didn’t just give Connors information he found in his dad’s briefcase. Wouldn’t it be more dramatic if some element of Peter himself - maybe his blood - was an integral part of making the Lizard formula work? Wouldn’t that make Peter’s sense of guilt for helping create the Lizard carry more weight? I’m actually not convinced this was ever in any filmed version of the movie, but it feels like the ghost of an idea cut out of a previous draft.

hanso 7/7/2012 7:35:05 AM

What he’s denying here is the bite, not Peter’s ‘Untold Story’ of genetic destiny. The original cut of the film ALWAYS had Peter being bitten, which is what Webb is saying in that quote. What it also had was the concept that the only reason why Peter didn’t die was because of something uniquely special about him. Something certainly involving his father.

By the way, I suspect that there’s a change in the movie to make Peter’s parents' disappearance less open ended. If you listen to the dialogue and gauge by Peter’s emotional state, you would guess that his parents vamoosed late one night and no one ever heard from them again. In fact Peter bitterly responds to Uncle Ben’s speech on responsibility by saying he wished his father had some. Which is a weird thing to say when your dad died in a plane crash.

I believe that the newspaper clipping saying Peter and Mary Parker died in a plane crash (seen when Peter is Bing-ing his father. I believe he gets spider powers before I believe he uses Bing) was a late insert. There is nothing else in the film that indicates Peter’s parents are dead. Everything else makes it seem like they’ve simply vanished off the face of the earth.

 
hanso 7/7/2012 7:36:58 AM

DaForce,  Had to break it down, but there it is.  It even references the Huffington Post interview you mentioned.

As you can see, what Wise & I were talking about is not so far fetched afterall.  Who knows if they go back to those elements in the sequel?  Guess we'll see.

RodThunderBalls 7/7/2012 8:54:59 AM

You know what else it could be, just Peter Parker's destiny. In the Avengers movie, Tony is talking to Banner about how such a massive dose of radiation would've killed any other human, yet Banner is walking around, because it was his destiny. People seemed to have accepted that without any qualms, so why is Peter Parker surving a genetically modified spider bite so out of the question? It's not like he was bitten by a radioactive spider, that would've effed him up for sure. And you know what else it could be, the movie is based in a world of super heroes and crazy stuff that really couldn't happen in reality.

Still waitin on what that big gapin plot hole was.

 

Wiseguy 7/7/2012 9:13:34 AM

I'm guessing they will revisit this in the sequels as the mystery surrounding Pete's parents, especially his father, remain wide open and hinted at in the end scene.

wish 7/7/2012 10:07:56 AM

yeah it's weird for sure, I feel like I learned more about Peter's past and that of his parents from the trailers and articles then I did from the final cut of the movie itself, who really knows how much these films change through test screenings and shit, but the film was good enough for me to have faith that this team will bring in a solid trilogy and that they will reveal what they need to in the right time frame.  Here's hoping anyway.

mlaforce 7/7/2012 1:55:19 PM

Just got back and like a good majority of the people who have posted here,I loved it also...

I thought the kid did real well as Peter/Spidey and I look way forward to the next installment to get here...

Some have mentioned that the guy at the end credits sounded like W Dafoe but it was not him, sounded like him a little but not him, Im thinking mysterio or like hanso said maybe electro and then off he went with the lighting...

I want to add that it does not bother me that they made this Spidey so soon on the heels of Raimis Spidey films, love Raimis movies even the 3rd one to a small extent but this Webb version just seems to fill right to me, it reminded me allot of the Cartoon I loved in the 80's with the wise cracking Spidey doing his thing to piss the bad guy off even more lol, also having a Peter/Spidey who was not always whinning was a big plus for me cause I just got tired of watching and listening to Mcquire whine all the time...

On a side note here, I do believe this movie failed in the catagory of Sound Track...Raimis Score was and is far superior to this new one and we all know how a great Score can either make or break a movie, thankfully it did not break this movie but could have benefited big time had it taken the time to develop and killer music score...Anyways, loved it and look forward to the second one....

DaForce1 7/7/2012 4:24:56 PM

 Hanso, from the Huffington Post interview with Webb:

 

I have heard rumors that you wanted Peter's parents to be the source of his powers, not the traditional accidental radioactive spider bite. There are rumors of a reshoot to incorporate the more traditional spider bite.
I think there was something on the internet.

I want to clear that up.
It's completely false.

So what we see is the way it was always shot?
Yes.

And the parents will be a theme of the trilogy?
Yeah, it's the long shadow that's cast over his life.

 

So there you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth. Nothing to read into. 

DaForce1 7/7/2012 4:28:46 PM

 Rodwhateveryournameis, the plothole is the fact that anyone walking into the spider room that gets bit could get the spidey powers. Maybe you should learn a little thing like reading comprehension, or get yourself a helper monkey to explain things like this to you.

hanso 7/7/2012 4:58:19 PM

To that interview you posted, from the article I put up:  "What he’s denying here is the bite, not Peter’s ‘Untold Story’ of genetic destiny. The original cut of the film ALWAYS had Peter being bitten, which is what Webb is saying in that quote. What it also had was the concept that the only reason why Peter didn’t die was because of something uniquely special about him. Something certainly involving his father."

So there is something to read into it.

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