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MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 7/26/2012 4:29:52 PM

He wasn't going to throw Batman under the bus at the charity event. He was possibly throwing himself under the bus, along with Dent but he was giving Batman the props he desereved because he hated the fact that people were villifying him for unjust reasons even if it was what Batman wanted.

MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 7/26/2012 4:31:32 PM

Oh and who says the even if Bane had another Bat that he needed to use it or even knew how to use it? If a tank suddenly showed up in your front yard would you know how to use it.  You might say the same thing for the Tumbler as I said for the Bat but you'd be wrong because I'm sure a land vehicle is a hell of a lot easier to figure out than one that flies.

MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 7/26/2012 4:32:57 PM

@Gopher

And maybe all the criminals are going to be let out - hence - why Batman gave Blake the keys to the cave.

millean 7/26/2012 4:47:21 PM

Exactly, Jaw.

Oh, and the criminals were let out - by Bane.  When No Man's Land was over. they would have to round them all up again, just like any other common criminal out on the streets.  :)

fatpantz 7/26/2012 7:08:19 PM

Well said Shac...

I still do not understand the comment of Nolan stealing from himself.  This was the third film in a trilogy and the ideas he used were from the first and second parts of that trilogy.  I would understand if he had stolen a concept for Inception from Following like naming both thieves Cobb (although many would concider that a clever tip of the hat), or instead of a clean energy reactor he had a tesla coil...he simply used already existing technology that he developed in his Batman universe.

As for the Lazarus Pit, this was Nolan's metaphorical version of the Lazarus Pit...people were put in there to die so if you managed to climb out you were "reborn"...much like the chemical pits that cured/healed you in the comics (metaphorically speaking).

The entire trilogy, Nolan basically tried to create a realistic version of Batman and his enemies that could happen in our modern world.  Which is the reason he did not have Bane juiced up with the syrum running through his veins, the Lazarus Pit being something mystical, or he did not choose villains like Killer Croc or Clayface....They all contained too much fantasy element for his dark realistic world of Gotham.

On a side note, I would have personally loved to have seen some of the violent characters like Victor Zsasz or Calendar Man in a Nolan film....or even a follow up film of The Long Halloween.  Oh well, one can simply dream.

MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 7/26/2012 7:52:21 PM

That's one thing I was hoping for Fatpantz.  Maybe seeing some of the realistic villains at least in the prison cells or walking around in the background after their release.

vitieddie 7/26/2012 8:56:36 PM

I agree that sending the majority of the police force down to the sewers is a minor plot hole ... but honestly even now, I dont really see major sticking points ... if I thought hard enough, I'd find similar plot holes (or borrowed content) in any movie ... TDKR on the whole flowed ok and was a good ending ... sometimes there are big plot holes that you have to go "wtf" ... i think recently we were discussing the timeline etc in JJA's Star Trek ... now that one you had to start thinking about after leaving the cinema

DarthoftheDead 7/26/2012 10:02:13 PM

I notice how nobody is disagreeing with me about Bane's voice, lol.......hmmmm.......

I think people have the wrong idea about me and its probally my fault for not explaining myself clearly, to any who feel Im just about Marvel go look at my Photo gallery, Thats me when TDK was kicking a$$ and taking names, lol

I really like Nolan(The prestige is a great flick,IMO) and I also really like Bale(I dare anyone to say American Psycho is not a great movie, hell, I'll even throw in T4 for shxts and giggles)

I personally feel that Avengers was a great movie, BECAUSE of Nolan and his masterpiece that is TDK

DarthoftheDead 7/26/2012 10:23:36 PM

Yes, TDKR is better than Spiderman....but, IMO, it fails to live up to its own standards that started with B.B, and totally blew the door off the hinges with TDK, but as with Mike Tyson, possibly Nolan believed his own hype and Maybe thought TDKR could coast by on its reputation alone.....

Why doesnt Nolan use Zsasz, wasnt he in or at least mentioned in B.B.??? 

Also why no mention at all of the Jokers fate??? Did I miss that part???

He has all these other great elements of the Batman myth to play with but, IMO, we mostly get a rehash of what has gone before......Ra's wanted to destroy Gotham for Ideology...Joker just wanted to see it Burn for fun......Talia just wants to......do the SAME thing Ra's did.......thats not new...thats copying

Sorry, that just does'nt do it for me......

Oh...and if I wanted to see men "Metaphorically Reborn", I'll watch "The Shawshank Redemption"....

fatpantz 7/26/2012 11:33:45 PM

Ahhh I see where you are coming from now with the copying of his earlier films Darth....the fact that he used a similar enemy/motive with Talia/Ras.....although it does play into his trilogy....BUT I agree with you that I would have prefered to see the story expand further to the Zsasz character and maybe even more intreresting etc....

If Nolan had followed the Year One storyline, going into Long Halloween...then I would have been raving about the film.  Yet it was still 100% enjoyable for me.

Simply put, we have been spoiled recently and with the quality of Marvel Films (since Disney took over), I find we are over critical of our comic movies. I would love to see what direction a true Batman fan writer/director could take this franchise with both the freedom that marvel has given, and with the bar that has been set with a film like The Avengers.

great convo starter btw Darth...even if it was split between 74 posts ;)

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