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gauleyboy420 12/18/2009 5:08:34 PM

@DaForce...OH NO YOU DI-INT'!

 

TNG MOST DEFINITELY IS STAR TREK!

POSSIBLY moer Trek than TOS!

Jakester 12/19/2009 6:18:24 AM

Wow, Daffy.  You're like worse than Spiderr on his anti BSG rants.

DaForce1 12/19/2009 11:12:35 AM

Jake, no way am I as bad as that. I'm not busting it out in every article.

TOS had science fiction writers writing the episodes. TNG had sci-fi writers write 1-2 episodes of the first season, then it was mostly hollywood script writers that introduced technobabble (a word created to explain TNG tech speak, btw) and the miraculous tachyon particle(s). Therein lies the difference.

DarthDuck 12/19/2009 3:58:00 PM

daForce - you're right, what TNG was missing was what TOS had, the Nazi planet, the roman planet, the gangster planet, balls of fur (before you explode, I know it was a great episode but not the most creative title characters) let' see what else, the space Abe Lincoln, the giant pizza ball, heavy handed messages (not they all didn't but TOS didn't even try for subtley)

most of you want to rip Star Trek a new one for all the continuity issues and plot holes, but for MOST of us that already liked Star Trek that stuff just comes with the territory.  We're aware of the flaws (see above) and the problems but love it anyway.  Just like Star Wars fans and probably fans of any other series or sci-fi property.

karas1 12/20/2009 2:05:04 AM

Back when TOS was made, they didn't know from continuity.  If anybody had told Gene Roddenberry that in 40 years people would still be seeing those episodes and disecting them he would have laughed.  No TV series was made with internal consistancy in mind back then.

And you HAD to be heavy handed with your allegory.  Or folks would miss it.

By the time TNG was made they realized that they had to be more careful and fewer continuity issues arose.

Was TOS silly?  Sometimes.  But if you consider that it's only scifi competition at the time was Lost In Space it seems really adult.

zalder 12/26/2009 8:20:11 PM

Star Trek as number one??  I have just lost all faith in the Mania staff (wasn't all that hard but still).  Come on!  Encapsulated everything the show was supposed to be about?  So where can I get some of the drugs you are smoking?  Can someone come out with a defense of this please?  The series was supposed to be about thought provoking sci-fi and social commentary which this movie had absolutley none of at all.  Yes everything about the movie was different, everything about the movie was terrible....

 

Oh and next gen had only moments of brillance...good grief in many ways with a more philisopical captain rather than a kill first sleep with aliens second it was the better show.

zalder 12/26/2009 8:31:39 PM

Also why the hate for the fun uplifting animated movies?  Genre movies don't have to be full of violence and angst to be good.  Much of life is not bad or terrible.  It is good to showcase that aspect of it, but then I own anime so...

ultrazilla2000 12/27/2009 12:28:12 AM

Mr. Fox?!?  How is that a "genre" film?  It was STUPID!  I'm serious when I say get rid of Mr. Fox, bump Avatar up into it's place, and then give number 10's slot to Revenge Of The Fallen.  Many of us really happened to enjoy the hell out of that movie, and I found it far more entertaining that the dry Mr. Fox crap.

 

And why is it the reason's Avatar were listed so low on the list, are the exact reasons's (except for budget) that District 9 was so high?  District 9 was just as preachy and predictable as Avatar...yet had far more plot holes. 

agentkooper 12/27/2009 12:36:38 AM

Watchmen.  I don't care if it didn't become a billion dollar movie, the whole thing was incredible. 

Wiseguy 12/27/2009 5:31:33 AM

Now that I've seen AVATAR multiple times I can say that I stand by my list. AVATAR is simply the best "genre" movie of the year.

ultrazilla, said it right as far as D9 and AVATAR go. But I would have to add that AVATAR was far superior in looks, acting and dare I say it? "message".
 

Folk keep talking about the simpleness of AVATAR yet all I see are these deep arguments about race, greed, human behavior, etc etc. For something so simple it has turned into a hot topic of moral issues

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