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Nolan's Batman won't join JUSTICE LEAGUE

Director says superhero universe thwarts his movies' themes

By Rob M. Worley     October 30, 2008
Source: L.A. Times Hero Complex blog


The Dark Knight
© 2008 Warner Bros.

When Warner Bros. announced plans for a 'Justice League' movie, it drew plenty of consternation from fans. With Batman and Superman just relaunched as stand-along franchises, did it make sense to have different versions of those characters appearing in a separate franchise. When the project began to fall apart, rumor had it that grumbling from Christopher Nolan's camp was a contributing factor.

In an exclusive interview with the L.A. Times, Nolan talks about the prospect of his version Batman finding its way into a superhero crossover, in the same way we're seeing Marvel cross pollinate their movies. Nolan told the Times that the story he's told thus far does not fit into a larger universe.

"I don’t think our Batman, our Gotham, lends itself to that kind of cross-fertilization. It goes back to one of the first things we wrangled with when we first started putting the story together: Is this a world in which comic books already exist? Is this a world in which superheroes already exist?

"If you think of 'Batman Begins' and you think of the philosophy of this character trying to reinvent himself as a symbol, we took the position -- we didn’t address it directly in the film, but we did take the position philosophically -- that superheroes simply don’t exist. If they did, if Bruce knew of Superman or even of comic books, then that’s a completely different decision that he’s making when he puts on a costume in an attempt to become a symbol. It’s a paradox and a conundrum, but what we did is go back to the very original concept and idea of the character. In his first appearances, he invents himself as a totally original creation," Nolan said.

"It would have given a very, very different meaning to what Bruce Wayne was leaving home to do and coming back home to do and putting on the costume for and all the rest. We dealt with on its own terms: What does Batman mean to Bruce Wayne, what is he trying to achieve? He has not been influenced by other superheroes. Of course, you see what we’re able to do with Joker in this film is that he is able to be quite theatrical because we set up Batman as an example of intense theatricality in Gotham. It starts to grow outward from Batman. But the premise we began with is that Batman was creating a wholly original thing."

So, if the 'Justice League' movie ever does get made, and if Nolan has anything to say about it, it'll stay separate from his own bat-franchise.

Thanks to Antonello Blueberry for the submission.

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PopeyesBitch 10/30/2008 8:19:25 AM

Smart move on Nolan's part. 

Then again, who is to say Nolan will direct a fourth BATMAN???  I'm sure Nolan will be back to helm the third BATMAN film, but a fourth?  Not likely.  I'm sure Nolan will want to do other film projects in the future.

Crossovers may work for Marvel films, but not likely for DC.  Too much expectations.

fft5305 10/30/2008 8:27:41 AM

Hadn't really thought of it in this light, but in general, I didn't think his version of the Bat would fit in JL90210. I'm fine if they want to use a different actor for the part, as long as it's fairly consistent with the general character of Batman.

krayzeman 10/30/2008 8:36:38 AM

While I agree that this Batman shouldnt be in a Justice League film(I help to think that this would be way to corny)  I think the opportunity to explore his relationship with Superman could prove quite intriguing.  Think about it.  Superman's world has always been the anthithesis of Batman's and while I understand Nolan's reasoning that HIS Batman would have make a different decision had this been a "comic book" world the psychological pinings that could come from a Batman/Superman clash is so promising.  I know that this will probably never happen in Nolan's movie or with Christian Bale even at the helm but I think he should at least explore the possibility that a Superman CAN exist in a Batman would.  The end of "The Dark Knight" left open the possibiltity that Superman could be in hot pursuit of the fugitive Batman because Batman is not on the run and Superman in all his naivete thinks he is the world savior and Batman is trying to understand "who does this idiot think he is."  And talking about relaunching Superman in a respectable place like a Nolan film I believe Nolan would handle it extraordinarily well.

hanso 10/30/2008 9:06:38 AM

This was obvious.  He's doing his own thing with his own cast grounding the films as much as you can about a guy dressing up as Bat. Aint no way you gonna see Superman running around Gotham or anyone else for that matter, this is the same reason there will never be Clayface, ManBat etc on Nolan's films.

As far as cast & director goes none of them will be back for whatever WB has planned for Justice League so there is no sense in starting the crossovers with the last Batman film by Nolan. That's one of the reasons JL got pushed back, cause they don't want to mess with Nolan.

WB is in a perfect position right now, Nolan's Bat trilogy will end making tons of money and all that goodwill the Batman character has gotten will shift towards Justice League.  They have the opportunity now to recast the role for the new movie and use that same actor for other future Batman films under a new director and new vision where there are superheroes running around all over the world.

For those wanting the crossovers, WB is already gonna start that with the Green Lantern movie, so let Nolan finish what he's started.

violator14 10/30/2008 9:33:48 AM

U know what... as much as i LOVE Nolan as much as the next guy......F*CK THAT!!!

I totally understand what he's talking about, but who the F*CK is he to deprive us of a Justice League movie. Batman is a product of DC and Comic fans around the world, not Chris Nolan.

If DC and WB wanted to make a Justice League movie, they should have figured out a way to do it, even with Chris Nolan bitching about his precious new Batman world he's created (which is very good though... haha).

I know some of u guys are gonna argue Chris Nolan's side, but this is my stance as a comic fan. Batman IS a huge part of Justice League.    But, as Hanso said.... i guess we have no choice but to let him finish what he's started.

mpe1 10/30/2008 9:37:26 AM

I may be out of line here and sorry if I am. But I really don't think that Nolans "Batman" is smart enough to join the likes of JLA. The Team already has a all around tough guy with superman. They don't need another heavy with the likes of Batman, or atleast Nolans Batman. In both BB and DK this batman dosen't seem as inteligent. He is depending more so on the brains of people like Lusis Fox. The new Batman seems to rely more on his fist and aquired techonlogy than anything else. Where as the Batman in the comic's is the brains behind the show. He created the "Watchtower" and he always seems to have the answer. I have to say that Michael  Ketons Batman seemed more intelligent. He figured out the Jokers Chemical mix's and so forth. Nolans Character is a good one. Don't get me wrong but he is not a team player that would fit with the JLA

obsidian 10/30/2008 9:54:26 AM

I'll be the contrarian here.  I think that Nolan's world could co-exist with a larger Justice League universe if we accept that Batman is the first hero to make a public appearance.  This tracks with the WB Animated Universe as well where Batman was first.  I would love to see Nolan's Batman presiding over the emergence of Superman, Wonder Woman, the Martian, GL and the others.  The others would see themselves as superheroes. Eventually Batman would be the natural one to organize them.  I mean, wouldn't Batman need a larger purpose if Gotham City begins to stabilize? The way Nolan portrays the character (which I agree with by the way), Bruce Wayne is gonna be put into Arkham with Dr. Crane and Mr. J. once the good citizens of Gotham think they no longer need him.  I see the Justice League as a good way to take the realistic Batman to the next level.  Batman would still the Protector willing to do what most other "superheroes" would not have the stones to do.  He would also be a moral counterbalance that a group of demi-gods would need in dark times.  I'm sure Nolan would not want to be involved, but it would be so interesting to try to ground all those cool Justice League characters in a 'real' world.  I don't want Justice League as dark as TDK but it would be good to have them inhabit a more recognizable environment.

unquestionablydead 10/30/2008 11:08:25 AM

Nolan's Batman should be untouched atleast until he finishes his Trilogy. Then WB can take a gamble on a JLA Batman.

Powerlock 10/30/2008 11:40:57 AM

I feel Nolan can't handle a film of that stature that includes his version of batman and some kind of version of superman. Nolan knows it and if Nolan tried it, he could tarnish his past 2 batman movies. I think that cartoon worlds finest explains it all having to do with combining superman and batman together. If they used brainiac as they did in the cartoon as a enemy by letting brainiac use wayne technology in gotham, would bring superman to gotham and in doing so introduce batman to superman. Come on, wouldnt it be great to have them find out eachothers identities on screen. That would be the best batman superman movie to date.................JLA to be honest isnt a good idea. to many charcters to base the movie around. Maybe after they create a movie for each character, but jumping into it is just not a good idea.

ThrillerSam 10/30/2008 11:51:40 AM

Obsidian,, you took the words right out of my mouth. Batman is the first, the other SUPER heroes come after seeing what he has done and they form JLA. New actor for Batman is fine after Nolan is done, start setting up the others... they could even talk of Batman in the others. Word of a masked Hero in Gotham helps define who Superman is and what he can be... or Flash or whoever.

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