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jedibanner 8/11/2012 11:17:56 AM

Wiseguy....your so funny.

It's the fact that is sounds corny when there's ''speeches of freedom'' in movies. It's impossible not to compare it to the original and the original had a more grounded reality to it then what appears to be for this one, that's why I say it looks preechy and fake.

The first one had kids acting as kids in one hell of a situation...this one has marines just doing what they know (nothing wrong here so don't jump on your horses Wiseguy) but it takes away the aspect of kids not knowing what they were doing in this situation.

Just not impressed that's all.

Wiseguy 8/11/2012 11:24:15 AM

LOL Mythos, that's about what I'd expect. There's always this internal military rivalries but we're still on the same side

I think MrJAW shouldn't laugh too hard. An armed and determined populace can do a lot and probably more than you think even with just small weapons. Unless the government is willing to destroy its own country and kills millions and millions of innocents most battles are determined by smaller weapons, especially in urban warfare. A lot of those heavy weapons would be rendered useless or overkill

Mythos 8/11/2012 11:25:11 AM

haha speeches now i get it jedi that reminds me of the episode of last week of teen wolf where the coach tries to motivate the lacrosse team but he doesn't know how to give a speech so he just says the one of independence day with megaphone included and the kids parent says wait isnt that the speech of id4? and the kid says yeah just go with it it gets the job done.

Mythos 8/11/2012 11:30:37 AM

very true wise i remember fighting in a small village in aghanistan and we where getting hammered with people shooting at us with small weapons and us having 249's, xm's, at4's and laws and supporting little birds and still on the side getting hit the hardest. improvise, adapt and overcome and any man can win a battle no matter what weapons he has. perfect example battle of falujah and mogadishu are good examples where weapons don't matter but will to survive.

Wiseguy 8/11/2012 11:39:08 AM

jedi, wasn't trying to offend but my impression from previous statements from you led me to that conclusion. You seem to always have snide remarks about films with any sort of pro-military or American stance. Again just going by what I recall or the feelings you impressed on me


Mythos 8/11/2012 12:22:17 PM

of course he's going to have a thing against american stances He's Canadian!

CaptAmerica04 8/11/2012 12:44:21 PM

I just threw up in my mouth.  A lot.  And all over my desk.

jedibanner 8/11/2012 4:18:18 PM

No offense taken Wiseguy, I can't deny that when I read, hear or see ''pro-military'' or fake speeches I tend to dislike whatever the movie, book or speeches try to do. It's not that it's because it's from an American or anything like that, it's the ''fake'' aspect that it sounds too preachy for me that makes this trailer (and most likelly the movie) not good.

It ain't nothing against American Mythos, ''us'' Canadians have our own politics, movies and books here too and hear the same type of speeches or views also (although nowhere near the same amount but still, it is present).

Take a movie like ''A Bridge Too Far'' or ''Tora Tora Tora''....heck, even ''Saving Private Ryan''......American movies yet none had the preechy words of battles or preaching freedom and all that yet they were great war movies about fighting back and doing what they could . The Bush years have sold what I call the ''fake freedom speach'' idea to the media and to many people for so long only to try and justify many unreasonable actions which always makes my ''respect spidersense'' tingling.

I am a pacifist and try to view things in a manner which is more peacefull and respecful (yes, I know, sometimes I do loose it in here but...I am only human). As I've been called, I am a Canadian, I try to see things the way things are in my country and from what I've learned in books and history, things don't always need to be glorified and emphasized in ''speeches'' in order to rally people. Does it help? Sure...when it's real.

So yes, movies and books and theatre are a form to glorify certain aspect of dialogue to enthise emotions and values in a certain way...which is probably why in this movie it was done a certain way but that's just my point for this trailer, it just looks a bit too preachy (remember, the first one did extremelly well without this kind of stuff).

It is interesting to get your perspective Mythos and Wiseguy from being in the ''trench'' of war, many soldiers speak of their experience of what they've done. I love reading and talking about WWII and things of that nature. In some odd way I would think that you guys do what you need without caring about what others think of you and what you did, you just follow your training and hope to come out of it alive.

I'd be curious to know if you had someone talking about speeches of freedom and things like that just for the aspect of playing politics, would that affect soldiers of today or would you disregard whatever senator or president would say to you? I'm serious...I would really like to talk about this, it is interesting.

Walker 8/11/2012 8:15:33 PM

 The advantage of the first was not that it was believable. It is that it was made in the peak of the Cold War, when nuclear war with USSR was a reoccuring fear of most of the nation.  No one thinks that way about North Korea, so it will not have anywhere near the impact.

This movie just cannot be remade. It is clearly a product of its time.

Mythos 8/12/2012 8:49:06 AM

well to tell you the truth jedi in my years of service i have heard many speaches before going out on a mission of before a big movement like operation anaconda. the one thing that always sticks in my mind was right before going out the music that we would listen to to prep ourselves playing in the background. everytime i hear some of the songs my mind flashes to prep time. I remember before boarding a plan on our way to afghanistan back in 01 two weeks after the attacks my friend and me before boarding the plane looked at each other banged our kpods and said lets do this and screaming out loud to motivate my platoon RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!!!! and hearing the guys scream back ALL THE WAY EVERYDAY HOOAH!!!!!!!! and that just sent chills down my spine and just fueled us for the fight ahead. Not every speach we heard made sense and often we would just go is this guy nuts? but most often it motivated us to get the job done. In the case of george bush when he made his speach in 01 saying we where going to fight back I can remember seeing everyone in the gym checking our gear waiting for the cattle trucks and screaming and hollering fueled up cause we all felt we where going to do what really needed to be done. And a lot of your canadien brothers who i consider my brothers in arms as well while we where there felt they where there with a good reason too. Hopefully that gives a bit more of understanding of why movie speeches are cool to me in a way.

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