Ugh...you know this is one review it pains me to agree with you.  Though I am tempted to give it an "A" just because they finally killed off Riley.

I said it before, I don't think the writers thought this show was going to get picked up for the back end so they had no idea which way to go with it.  I don't really think there was a single episode that I've really liked since it came back from its break.  I think one was okay but that was it.

A friend of mine told me the ratings since they moved it to Friday nights is tanking big time.  Can anyone confirm that?

Terminator only works well for two hours on the big screen.  Well, unless McChicken is directing it and they make it PG-13. 

Hey, I agree too. This show is just plain bullshit. This isn't what the Terminator is supposed to be. A sappy soap opera? Give me a break! If I wanted to watch this shit, I'd turn it to Days of our Lives. Which is all this show is amounting to anyway. The Days of our Lives before Judgment Day.

Judgment Day: I'm also getting sick of this impending doomsday scenario, amidst the show's other flaws, of course. It worked better in Terminator 2. They keep dragging out Judgment Day when we're actually long past the point when the nuclear war happened. They already changed the date in Terminator 3 (which wasn't that good itself, in my opinion). But yeah, I know, time travel, alternate timelines, etc.

Hobbs: I agree with you too. I second the Terminator being made only for the big screen. Well, novels and comics are ok too because at least those two stick to what the Terminator is all about. I just hope they keep an R rating for Terminator Salvation. And yes, the Sarah Connor Chronicles ratings have tanked big time this season. They went from 11.4 million viewers last season to a measly 4.95.

Well, if you all saw the footage I saw at Wondercon, you wouldn't be poo-pooing this episode. It's setting up something much bigger for the season finale that has a scene that (dare I say it?) rivals the infamous police station scene in the 1st Terminator.

And it all involves Cameron.

There's a lot about Cameron that we still know nothing about. And granted the Riley/Jesse storyline is boring as all hell, but it was still a bit more forward moving than last week's 'dream' episode. Now *that* episode was just a mess.

It isn't just this one episode. This whole series so far has been like this. And I don't care if they build this up to one monster of a showdown that makes the current four movies look like Sesame Street, this show is crap. The ratings speak for themselves. That Jesse character is just plain irritating and everyone else is on Prozac. I also agree that the only plus side to this series is that Summer Glau is pretty. She needs to go back to Serenity. That was much better.

I read somewhere (Mania?) that Terminator salvation will be PG-13. Not good.

Anyhoo, thank god Riley is dead. Every scene with her made me groan. Maybe now they'll stop playing house and start kicking more butt. At least until the eventual cancelation (Although I can see another network swooping in to save it, like Scifi maybe?).

 I've been hard on this series lately but I'm actually going to say that this episode was a solid C-. Easily the best episode of the season. Not perfect by any means but let's look at what they did right/not-wrong.

1) No worthless extraneous characters introduced and killed (1 killed, none introduce. Net positive)

2) No Shirley Manson (she's a T1000, please have her assume the form of someone who can act)

3) No religious fanatic former FBI loser (please kill this guy)

4) Clearly highlighted the different motivations of Jesse and Derek (now make that story go somewhere)

5) Cameron had some almost terminator-like lines. 

There was some real dumb stuff of course, much that's been mentioned here. I should add that Cameron talking to birds is stupid. And if she needs to test her control of her grip, might I suggest tomatoes? The show is still doomed though. 

...the Sarah Connor Chronicles ratings have tanked big time this season. They went from 11.4 million viewers last season to a measly 4.95.

The ratings for SCC dropped to 3.5M viewers as soon as it moved to Friday night. The most recent episode logged a series-low 3M viewers. Even factoring in the DVR numbers, it's going to take a miracle to avoid cancelation.

Meanwhile, Dollhouse opened to 4.5M viewers and is now down to 3.5M viewers. Its prospects are a bit better than SCC due to higher DVR numbers, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 I'm going to have to be a voice of dissent.  I actually like the fact that the SCC isn't just about stopping skynet, but also has to deal with Sarah and her son, and the interplay there.  The soap opera aspect of it isn't bothering me, because that's what I want to see.  (Now, admittedly, I've not caught up totally on the series yet, I'm still a few episodes behind).

The point is, fighting robots is fun, but shouldn't be the primary focus of the series.  The primary focus is how John moves from being the kid in T2, to the man who saves humanity.  It should focus on how Sarah both tries to help John, and holds him back.

And Cameron is interesting, I'm wanting to find out what Future John has planned for her, and how these things worked out.  I'm curious about the affect these people keep having on the future, and how it alters the timeline as things progress.

To me, it isn't about beating robots sent back in time.  That's a distant third or fourth for me.  Seeing how Skynet grows, how the world changes with the decisions people make, and what this means for humanity, is more interesting, and the human side of the Terminator universe is what sold me to begin with.

 Good points, Tashiro. Unfortunately, this horrible show has none of that either. It just has inane, disconnected plots, uninteresting characters, poor acting, and no direction. Just awful. 

I think the show has its ups and downs, but overall, has been very good. I'm sure plenty of people would be complaining that the show is one dimensional if  it was only about fighting robots from the future. I would imagine people like Sarah and John, knowing, what they do, would have plenty of issues, which can lead to great human interest stories. I think this episode was great, and Cameron talking to the bird was reminiscent of when she was ballet dancing in the first season, dealing with where we draw the line between man and machine. And on a sidebar, Cameron can do anything she wants to do with me!