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SmokingFrog77 1/19/2013 4:24:07 AM

I love Escape from LA - purely because of the BadAss factor. It's a 101 minute homage to just how incredibly badass Snake Plissken is. I mean, he returns the whole planet to the Dark Ages at the end of the film, just because he was pissed off!  Cheap, nasty and badass. I haven't seen Village of the Damned, and I haven't seen The Ward yet. Vampires is everything this article says it is (including the soundtrack - one of Carpenter's best), but there's something missing about it that doesn't quite sell it for me. Perhaps because it's not a Carpenter-original story, it lacks that quality and perspective on the world that makes his films so brilliant. It comes close though. Ghosts of Mars has a cool idea, but is otherwise just a whole lot of boring set-up for one awesome shoot-out, plus some badass looking villains and a freakin' awesome soundtrack featuring Anthrax, Steve Vai and Buckethead, among others.  For me I think it's less of a line in the sand and more of a sudden lack of consistency. If The Ward is good, it shows Carpenter can still make quality films, but I won't expect him to do it all the time now.

zentonto 1/19/2013 8:17:42 AM

I liked Ghosts of Mars! Though I will admit it is not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination. I have a thing for bad sci-fi movies and Ghosts of Mars exemplefies that catagory to a "T".

torvar72 1/19/2013 3:00:44 PM

I like ITMOM it's a great film with a mind fuck at the end

hanso 1/19/2013 6:20:23 PM

 Is this the movie with Jon Bon Jovi?

SmokingFrog77 1/19/2013 6:46:51 PM

No, the 'sequel' Vampires Los Muertos has JBJ in it, and it's terrible. Carpenter produces and that's it.

ITMOM is one of the greatest horror movies ever made in my opinion, I'm continually surprised when I come across bad press about it.

SarcasticCaveman 1/20/2013 2:38:16 AM

 Outside of "Halloween, the original "Assault on Precinct 13", and "Escape From New York", I'm really not a Carpenter fan.  I personally find most of his work to be at best a couple steps above Syfy movies of the week.

stonedtodeath 1/20/2013 11:48:56 AM

Vampires was one of the bloodiest vampire movies I had seen since From Dusk til' Dawn.  I like James Woods and think hes a much better actor than he's given credit for.  I think the same about Gary Oldman and Val Kilmer.  I watched this movie last year after having not seen it in a long while and I was entertained.  It sucks (no pun intended) that vampires have become what they have in the last 4 or 5 years.  Movies like Twilight and Fright Night along with the T.V. series True Blood have really ruined what made me like vampires the most....they're bad asses.  Vampires have never had an enemy like Jack Crow someone who's just as bad ass as they are....also a Baldwin.

GreatOne 1/20/2013 9:59:30 PM

I don't mean to personally criticize those who liked Vampires, but quite frankly, Carpenter needs to be strung up and kicked in the nuts repeatedly for what he did to the terrific book, "Vampires, Inc." by John Steakley (and perhaps you all didn't realize it was a book adaptation).  Dare say, he did worse to this film than Will Smith did to Matheson's classic.  At least Carpenter let us know this was, "John Carpenter's Vampires" in the title, so the massive re-writes were not surprising. 

While Woods was absolutely the right choice to play Crow, the opening scene was great, and the recreation of the motel scene was decent (although having the vampire just slash everyone vs. an all-out hand-to-hand as was in the book was lame), Carpenter took everything that was great about the book and trashed it.  A personal objection is the way he followed the Hollywood trope of making the Catholic Church evil.  In the book, they are financing the war against vampires, knowing that almost everyone they recruit to fight will eventually die a horrible death, which casts a pallor over the communications Crow has with the Vatican.  But there is no betrayal by a church member; in the book it is a female reporter who gets close to the team by pretending to be writing a story about them.  In the book, the central story is the vampires trying to get to Crow to turn him, because of his effectiveness, not some lame thing about a black cross that will give the vampires the ability to walk in the daylight.  If such a thing existed, it would be kept at the Vatican where vampires can't tread, not some lame monestary where the untrained monk's only defense against master vampires is a pitchfork. 

I could give a 2500 essay on my problems with the movie, but the biggest offense was the ending.  First off, having Baldwin's character shoot a giant cross with a crucifix while driving past it in a pickup truck is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a movie.  And then having the master vampire and about 30 other vampires just stand around while watching the truck zoom away (and after the master vampire had outrun a truck going 70 mph earlier in the film) was beyond retarded.  To make it worse, Crow, the ultimate slayer, allows Baldwin and the woman who turned him to leave - a head start - which would never, ever happen according to how the character was written.  Just stupid.  The book had an awesome ending that I won't spoil.  You really, really need to read the book.

SmokingFrog77 1/20/2013 10:08:07 PM

I haven't read the book, but the criticisms you've made are absolutely valid. I do enjoy this movie, but I don't own it - and I own quite a few JC movies - and one of the reasons is that it does have these bleeding flaws. It's still pretty fucking badass though.

silversurfer 1/21/2013 8:26:42 AM

 This movie is fun. Period. Always love it when I look at it because James Woods makes the movie with his own kinda bravdo....he reminded me of his character in The Specialist. I liked him in that movie too...plus it was one of the ONLY times that a Baldwin brother was cool on screen. John Carpenter just understands how to make a B movie not be a B movie. 

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