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karas1 12/14/2010 12:14:32 PM

Loco, ST:TOS was very much a message show.   Go back and watch them again and you'll find episodes that state the prejudice is bad, war is bad, the human spirit triumphs over despotism or being taken over by machines etc.  Maybe some of it was a tad heavy handed by today's standards.  And there were some bad episodes.  Spock's Brain is a running joke through fandom.  But mostly it was ABOUT something.  What was Abrams' movie about?  Cool explosions and special FX?  Blowing up the enemy before he can blow you up?  I don't think Roddenberry would be impressed.

TNG and DS9 and even Voyager did have some good hard science episodes along with the occasional fuzzy science ones (humans evolved from spiders?  Really?)  For every bad ep there  were 5 or 6 really good ones and a couple of OK ones.  TNG was more about the technobable and Voyager was about the exploration but DS9 was about war and religion and the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters and a lot of it is MORE topical today than when it was made.  And it had the best ensemble cast of any show, scifi or not, than I can think of.

I realize  that you can get more in depth in a 20 episode season than a 2 hour summer blockbuster movie.  But Abrams didn't even try to make more than an FX extravaganza.  That's what is so dissapointing to me.  There is no reason we couldn't have had a well written, thoughtful script AND cool explosions.  Star Trek can and should be more than an empty spectacle made to sell popcorn.

LocoLobo73 12/14/2010 3:23:15 PM

Kara,  I didnt say they where bad and I own all the Original series and TNG on dvd, and I love them However, there is very little in the way of science, real , science and your right there were messages of inequality , and social commentary , cause that was the time they lived in when Viet Nam was being shown in everyones homes and the body count  and lists of the fallen soliders was what people sat in front of their tv s and watched. I agree with your views of TNG and Ds9, well maybe not of its cast being the best in all of sci fi but it was a good cast.  As far as Abrams, I disagree that it didnt have a storyline I think it had a pretty good story and I actually think it was one of the best reboot stories of any series or movie. Now as far as story its is a story of destiny and a story about beginnings, This isnt  a story about the ship , or about a new life form , its a story about the crew, Its about people coming together to over come unbelievable odds, its the Kobayashi Maru. How is that not an epic Star Trek story, it is what made Kirk, Kirk. "He didnt cheat , he changed the parameters of the test and made it so he could win", This is a moment that defines who Kirk is, He's the Hero, he doesnt know how to quit and he certainly doesnt know how to lose. Thats the premises for all the characters , none of them know how to quit and thats what brings them together. This movie is more about the forming of the crew and how they come together in the face of overwhelming odds , it about people not science, and if anything else Roddenberry was about PEOPLE and coming together to over come anything........

karas1 12/14/2010 4:12:42 PM

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I found that "message" of destiny to be trite and unlikely.  I prefer the original where the crew came together slowly as each member was assigned to the Enterprise.  As adults, not hormonal teenagers.  In your workplace, was everybody hired at once or do new coworkers come and go and you form strong friendships and trust with new people as they appear?  Or not as the case may be.

kyvacca 12/14/2010 7:55:06 PM

 

The device that Clark used to transport Deathstroke to the Phantom zone is called the Crystal of El. It was first seen in the episode Zod in Season 6 when Clark met up with Raya in the Phantom zone. It has been used to transport Phantoms that had escaped from the Phantom Zone as well as performing other tricks. Raya was an assistant that had worked with Jor-El and he had given this crystal to her as protection when Raya went into the Zone before Krypton exploded. Kara, Supergirl, has one too, which the one seen in this episode may be hers. Clark’s crystal was destroyed by Bizzaro. John Jones has a device similar too.
 

It was mentioned in one of the past episodes that Clark had been meeting with Kara off screen so it’s possible she handed it to him off screen but we probably won't know for sure unless they mention it in a later episode.
 

 

LocoLobo73 12/15/2010 6:15:45 AM

Kara , umm , what are you talking about did you see the original Star Trek, if we are keeping to the original series , Captain pike was the captian of the Enterprise, In the Cage which was the original pilot which was scrapped and was later reshot and reused in the two part episode the Menagerie, which basicaly goes back and tells the audience what happen prior to Kirk Being put incharge of the Enterprise. The Crew was already together from the start, it also, in the Reboot gives the audience a complete reason for how things come together, now the differences between the original show and the reboot are irrelavent mainly because this an alternative time line or universe , both of which Roddenbery pretty much pattened with his original shows , so again it is very Star Trek. The only characters origin that was kinda suspect , but also easily forgivable , was Scotty's , But Simon Pegg is great so who cares. Oh yeah and Spock , just like in the movie, had served under Pike prior to him taking command of the Enterprise, this is basic Trek 101. The thing is this its fine not to like a movie, I can respect that, but let that be your arguement , you did nt like it , cool , but to shoot it down because you dont think it embodies the spirit of the original and not be able to give any examples to back that point makes it a poor argument at best.

Kara is it s always a pleasure to verbally spar with somone who has a keen intellect, and i do like your views on many other programs, so thank you.

Oh yeah and joe , I disagree with your assesment on Supernatural, the show was great , I loved it, But this season , has been the worst season so far , i ve given the show latitude. but I find it hard to sit through an episode lately, I havent checked lately but is it true that Kripky left the show has its main writer, cause that would explain alot. Sam got his soul back in the last episdoe and I'll give it a few more tries but , man i hope they get back on track.

Bryzarro 12/15/2010 9:47:40 AM

@ LocoLobo Kripke is not fully involved in this season.  He said a long time ago he saw the series as 3 seasons and wrote his whole plot on that.  He expanded it to 5 which intorduced the Angels to us.  It was to be finished off at season 5.  The CW always had an option to pick up a 6th season and when they did he stepped aside and someone else took up the role to shape the season.  From what i've read Eric is still on in a Producer capacity but judging by this season I believe he hasn't really had much input in it's direction.  

This hasn't exactly been the strongest season but it is by far the weakest.  It does show that they are stretching it out to me.  I have seen the pattern of where they are going this season even though it has deviated but i'm a loyal fan so i'm sticking out for the finale.

lazarus 12/15/2010 10:28:09 AM

Okay Joe, to the question you asked about Lois and why she gets so much screen time?

First, are you gay? If not, watch the intro and see her coming out of the lake in the two peice.

In a simple word, it is called TITS Joe, God you are a moron for someone asserting to be smart.

I liked the episode, flaws and all, and am looking forward to the series end. I would like them to drop this pretense of the "darkness" crap and just simply have Darksied invade the f-ing Earth. Have the last 10 episodes be about the heroes fighting as an underground to take back the planet and in the end Clark is killed so he can be reborn as Supes with his appearance changing enough to take on being Clark. Or something like that.

karas1 12/15/2010 11:07:37 AM

Loco, I've given many expamles as to why the ST movie doesn't embody the spirit of the original.  I'm not going to go through them all here again.  But go back and reread my previous posts.

I'm grooving on this lastest season of Supernatural.  I really don't see why everybody is so down on it.  There has been plenty of arc plot stuff.  The stories have been interesting.  The acting is great.  And the guys are hot.  What more do you need?

Lazarus, no need to go calling Joe names.  He just wants more out of an actress  than big tits.  There are lots of girls out there with big tits.  Talent as an actress is more rare.  There are even actress out there  that have both...

lazarus 12/15/2010 11:12:19 AM

Okay Joe, to the question you asked about Lois and why she gets so much screen time?

First, are you gay? If not, watch the intro and see her coming out of the lake in the two peice.

In a simple word, it is called TITS Joe, God you are a moron for someone asserting to be smart.

I liked the episode, flaws and all, and am looking forward to the series end. I would like them to drop this pretense of the "darkness" crap and just simply have Darksied invade the f-ing Earth. Have the last 10 episodes be about the heroes fighting as an underground to take back the planet and in the end Clark is killed so he can be reborn as Supes with his appearance changing enough to take on being Clark. Or something like that.

lazarus 12/15/2010 11:21:54 AM

Karas, I read these arrogant, fanboy, immature reviews and it drives me nuts. Joe can't be so naive is to not understand the series is tailored to a demographic to get ratings. Erica does a fine job as Lois and works well with the material given. And she has TITS to boot.

Smallville what it is. I would love to see something like this spur a JLA series or something. But guess what? With legal copyright issues and all the other headaches in ownership of the main characters would prevent that. The fanboy nation won't let go or accept the reality of what we have.

Oh and did not call Joe a name, I called him a moron, and that was in jest.

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