Yeah I agree the whole Vulturess things is complete and total garbage. I don't even know if the vulture rumor is true although Malkovich would be great in the role. With this movie I think they need to go back to the roots of the first movie and make it fun. I liked number 3 and it was really a lot better the second and third viewing, but there were too many villians and it was too moody. Make Spidey more about cracking jokes while taking down the bad guys and for once give him and MJ just a little peace and happiness. The Vulture idea is kind of cool, but I still think Mysterio or Kraven would be cool like others have posted before. In my mind if you have to have two villians why not the Lizard and Kraven. Those two make the best pairing. Like others have suggested before have Jameson hire Kraven to hunt the Lizard and have Spidey get in the way by trying to save Dr. Conners from himself. I think that would be pretty darn cool. 

No to Vulture and no to the reboot of Felicia. The producers are really missing the boat if they don't use Lizard in the third movie. They wouldn't have to make him go full croc-looking. I still think I had the best plot for a fourth movie that would use all of the elements that came with the first three movies. Vulture was a weak villain in his first appearance and didn't get any better when marvel rebooted him years ago. Hopefully this is all just a rumor.

I agree with the overall statement that this whole "grounded in reality" thing is a load of crap.  Lets do a reality check shall we?

First, we are talking about a hero who was bitten by a spider and given spider powers.

Second, Harry Osborn a multi-billion dollar scientist and corporate big-wig who injects himself (not a stooge, hired thug, kidnapped hobo, but himself mind you) with a formula which while making him looney nonetheless, grants hims super powers too.

Third, we have another scientist who creates a multi-limbed contraption that in of itself probably would net him millions of dollars in research grants, medical grants, and military contracts.  But, and get this, he actually makes the thing capable of thinking for itself (always a bad plan).  How does this thing work?  He has to risk possible paraylsis and have it attach itself directly to his spine, ouch!  And how does this Doctor protect his brain you ask?  With a tiny non surge protected microchip.

Fourth, black alien space goo just happens to not only to land on earth without burning up in re-entry, but out of all the possible places it could have landed it just happens to land in Central Park a mere few feet away from our hero who just happens to be there sharing a romantic moment with his girlfriend.

Fifth,  There is a criminal who we are told after two previous movies was involved with Ben Parker's death.  Shock and suprise, because don't they usually inform the victims of a crime who the criminals were that commited the crime?  No silly fools in New York the police live by their own rules!  They only inform the victims if that said criminal manages to escape from prision where they were being held for commiting the crime.  Appearently having been found guilty without a trial or any newspaper reporting the the incident Marko is sent to rot in prison.  After managing to escape he falls into a pit of sand where a super secret experiment involving sand is about to be conducted.  And instead of having the area secured to make sure that escaping criminals, or say a wandering child cannot make their way into the sand pit they go ahead with thier experiment fully aware that something has in fact fell into the pit.  And instead of checking the pit because you know that a teenager or a passing dog couldn't possibly be out and about late at night the Sandman is created. 

Sixth,  Harry Osborn Junior, a man with a hatred on for Spider-Man because he believes the web-swinging wall crawler killed his father for basically no reason at all.  Harry you see doesn't know that his father was in fact the Green Goblin.  a murdering psycopath who killed all of Oscorp board members in front of Harry Jr., a wacked out weirdo who attempted to murder Mary Jane twice, a sick bastard who set an apartment building on fire just to chat with Spider-Man, a twisted genius who blew up Peter's home and placed his aunt in the hospital, a demented jerk who threatend the life of J.J.J. and attempted to kill a bunch of boy scouts by dropping them off a bridge.  And what does Harry do when he learns the truth of who is father was.  He injects himself with the same damn stuff that turned his father into a looney mass-murderer just so he can kill the person who stopped his father from killing anymore people.  Oh and by the way Harry Jr. also has a buttler that has spent the entire second and third movie knowing that Spider-Man has not in fact killed his father, but rather let Harry proceed down a path of depression and self-destruction appearently for his own amusement.

Alright if any of this sound grounded in reality then I have a lovely room waiting for you in a mental asylum.  You'll fit in with this wonderful chap who calls himself the Joker.  He's a bit rough around the edges, but I'm sure that you'll get along just swell.

Now for the rest of you sane people out there, I have no problem with using the Vulture, but I ask you this.  What's the point of introducing Connors in the first place?  Plus each movie they have been making the character more and more important to Peter.  Why do all of this if you aren't going to use the Lizard story line?

I wonder if I'll get mentioned by Tara now that I posted a freekin' novel?    

hanso, that's not what it says here. Maybe the article you're reading has some other or more detailed info. Anyway the Lizard doesn't have to be the Lizard all the time so whoever plays him will get some face time.

Maybe she starts off as Vultress and then becomes the Black Cat by the end of movie?

Wow they really know how to piss off Spiderfans. 

JM as Vulture is a great idea, but they really should do Lizard and make it a monster movie type of thing.  Venom was over the top space alien so there should be no problem with the reality there. 

By now SM is a cash cow so if they did make a crap story we will go see it anyway which makes me sad.  I hope Marvel steps into the story somehow to make it right. 

Wise - I clicked on the Movieline link that the C2F article referenced and this is what it said: “As much as it would seem that the series is setting up his eventual transformation into supervillain the Lizard, we hear that the suits simply can’t bring themselves to sign off on such an odd-looking enemy — instead, they’d rather hew closer to villains with a human face.”

I didn’t get that they mean The Lizard doesn’t fit into the Spider-Man franchise from that. Maybe they want to put the actors on posters and don’t want to scare the kids with The Lizard, who the hell knows what the suits are thinking.
 

If they did the Lizard/Kraven storyline that everyone seems to want (myself included), that would give them the human face they want. Also, Dylan Baker isn't an A-list ego that's going to be a big draw the the Spider-Man crowd and demand a huge salary, so I don't think they need to justify paying the big bank by showing his face every 5 seconds.

Side note for Redshirt - while I agree with most of your points, I take exception to the fifth one.  If memory serves, Marko was in prison already when new evidence came to light that he was involved in Ben Parker's murder (I think he confessed to his cellmate or something?). The police weren't withholding anything. Once they found out, they called in Peter & May to tell them.  Also, the testing grounds did have barbed wire fencing around them.  The other parts, though, I agree with.

you're right hanso, I only read what Rob wrote. Rob seems to be making his on conclusions here saying "the monstrous character seems out-of-sync with the grounded world that Raimi established in the previous films." Rob you getting us all riled up with that "grounded world" line

If the rumours are true and they give us a "Vulturess" instead of "Black Cat" I'm officially boycotting this movie despite my crazy anticipation for this movie to come out. I cannot put up with another hiccup in the Spiderman movie franchise.  

We live in the world of the World Wide Web... Why can't the villian be one that use the World Wide Web.. Spiderman on the web...  What is the number one thing about the web. Is use of information....Spiderman using his web....to catch the villian... with information.. The new superhero power..  The villian named Starr one that is taped into the web of information...That tapes out the web of information... Just as the riddler did for Batman...... The tiny black box on TV's....  How about a blood trans fusion to MJ.. Making her like Spiderman... With maybe baby on board... Dr. Doom & Starr fighting against Mr & Mrs Spiderman....In Spiderman 4..  Just a thought to the writers of the movie...