Ten Sci-Fi and Fantasy Oscar Snubs Comments - Mania.com


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Tevii 2/21/2013 9:28:34 PM

 Oops... Ledger

keithdaniel 2/21/2013 10:25:14 PM

Tevii, you're entitled to your view regarding not liking TDK (as wrong as it is, LOL!) and that's fine but as much as you and many others keep saying that Ledger only won because he died isn't necessarily true.  I recall Ledger garnering great Oscar buzz before any nominations even came out so it's possible he would've won anyway because he was so good that he was getting that kind of buzz before he died.  It's very presumptous of anyone to assume that Ledger only won because he died because the reality is that we'll never know for sure and that in and of itself is a fact.

keithdaniel 2/21/2013 10:48:43 PM

Another snub still and I think this is on par with Blade Runner and Empire Strikes Back and that would be Superman:The Movie!!  That's still the best superhero movie in my book and I think that should've been nominated for picture, director, cinematography, and production design in addition to the technical noms it got.

karas1 2/22/2013 5:55:41 AM

Keith, Ledger might have been nominated if he hadn't died but he wouldn't have won.  No matter how great his performance was, that performance was in a comic book movie and those don't get no respect from the Academy.  Which is what this article is all about.

keithdaniel 2/22/2013 11:22:27 AM

Kara, you've said that Ledger woudn't have won if he hadn't of died and that's your opinion, but it's not one I necessarily happen to share.  You're making it seem as if it's out of the realm of possibility that he couldn't have won for that role without dying, but as small a chance as it may seem to many that he could've won anyway, there's always still that chance.  There's certainly a decent chance that he may not have won, I'm not denying that, but Ledger was getting Oscar buzz before he died (it's rare to get that sort of buzz and especially for a comic-book movie) and that there at the very least suggests to me that he had a fair chance of having won it let alone being nominated.  His performance as the Joker not only was outstanding but it was such a great stretch for him as an actor, many including myself couldn't even imagine him as the Joker after he was announced for the part and I think that was another reason why he was getting the buzz that he got before he died.  You're basing your opinion on the history of the Academy has had in snubbing which is tempting and you could very well be right.

However, my overall point is that no one, including you knows for certain what would've happened had he lived.  Of course, it doesn't really matter in a way; he still won and IMO was more than deserving of it.  But of course we would've liked for Ledger to have lived and not won and just nominated or not even that if it were a choice.  He didn't necessarily need validation for his performance as the Joker in terms of awards and was too young to have passed away and had so much more to do in life let alone his career!

Kaziklu 2/22/2013 12:08:38 PM

 Keith the simple fact is that Blade Runner didn't make it's production budget back in it's intial release. 

I honestly have never met anyone in person (Sorry Kara) that has enjoyed it. In fact the first time I saw it was in early 2000s when someone needed to watch it for a film history class and the 5 or 6 of it the room were just waiting for it to finish. 

I seem to recall being told later that nearly the whole class unviersially hated it. 

It's much like Road Warrior which was released in the same year and made about the same amount in theatre. I really dislike it... it's a B movie. 

I also think that many people that "claim" to like have never actually seen it, others are part of the pre geek chic culture (ie true geeks) 

In some circles I'm sure it's much beloved. It's a cult movie. 

I love many movies that aren't well liked. Dosen't make them oscar worth though. 

hanso 2/22/2013 12:10:39 PM

There have been 57 Oscars nominations for various categories of people that were dead, out of those 57 only 15 have won which comes to around 25 percent.

If you look at total Oscar acting nominations, there were 7 acting nomintations (best actor/supporting) prior to Ledger's.  Only one person had won, so that comes out 14 percent.  If you include Ledger's win, you are looking at 2/8 which is 25 percent.  

Let's not act like they hand out Oscars out just for dying, because the numbers don't support it.

Kaziklu 2/22/2013 12:14:00 PM

Set design, Costume Design were very good but 1982 had ET, The Dark Crystal, Trek II, Rocky, Tootsie, Ghandi, Conan, Tron, Sophies Choice, Victor/Victoria, and Quest for Fire, all which would have viaed for the the same considerations and with the exception of Quest for Fire all did better at the Box Office as well. 

karas1 2/22/2013 5:56:03 PM

Keith, short of jumping to a paralell dimension where Ledger didn't die it's impossible to know if he would have won if he hadn't died or not.  He gave a terrific performance.  But I still doubt that the Academy would have given out a major award for a movie about Batman if he had lived.

Kaz, believe me.  I've seen Blade Runner many times.  I own a copy on VHS, the original theatrical release with the voice over on it.  I still like to watch it and can quote whole sections of the dialogue verbatim.

I like The Road Warrior too.  Yes, it's a B film.  But it's a fun B film.

Kaziklu 2/22/2013 6:02:22 PM

 Karas don't doubt it at all. I just think more then a subset of people like it. Even the geeks I used to hang out with.. the super geeks.. the super delusional super geeks that said things like I wish I could major in Roleplaying at Uni while being serious, super geeks, not one owned the movie and none liked it. No one I work with that I know of likes it, no one I socialize with seems to like it.. that I know of. 

But just in the interest of fairness, I did put up a quick question on my G profile just out of curiousity to see. 

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