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SarcasticCaveman 5/13/2013 12:37:41 AM

 Spot on with your assessment of the Enterprise finale...just ridiculous.  The only one I thing you said that I would disagree with is your "holograms are not people."  In most circumstances I would agree, but to say that about a Voyager episode featuring self-aware holograms is amusing to me.  So you never thought The Doctor was a person?  Come on, he was by far the best character on the show.

StarlightGuard 5/13/2013 4:30:00 AM

Yeah I hated Tom Paris' transformation. By then some of the writers were taking the EMH and other assumed capabilities for granted.

And Quark wasn't exactly cross dressing, as noted, but this is one of the funniest episodes as he poses as Lumba, a female adviser to the Grand Nagus, and ends up getting chased around the quarters of Sluggo Cola's founder. And then Acting Grand Nagus Brunt tries to state Quark is a man. Great stuff.

karas1 5/13/2013 5:08:33 AM

I remember self aware holograms in TNG (Moriarty) and DS9 as well.  I think it was generally accepted in the shows that like Data, they were an artificial life form who were entitled to all the rights of a biological life form.

I had stopped watching Voyager by season 6 so I don't remember that episode but it was probably a real moral dilema.

goldeneyez 5/13/2013 5:55:09 AM

Yeah, I don't know why, but even the bad episodes of TOS seem good to me compared to a lot of television today.  Also, I'm in agreement with StarlightGard, the episode where Quark had to pose as a female advisor was quite funny.  I'm not sure there is anything Quark ever did in DS9 that was bad from an entertainment point of view.  As far as Star Trek V, as bad as it is, the clip you posted is the one good part of the movie as far as I'm concerned.  Honestly, it probably should have been Spock asking that question because it seemed so logical.  Why would God need a star ship?

Iridan 5/13/2013 6:36:33 AM

I think Spock's Brain is so ridiculous that it's amusing. I enjoy that episode for some unknown reason.

I also enjoy the Warp 10 episode; however, noting the ridiculousness of that one as well. My problem with that episode is we've seen warp 10 breached previously.

What I really disliked were the "holograms are people too" episodes of Voyager.

Kaziklu 5/13/2013 7:48:17 AM

 Isn't everything Janeway did nearly psychotic and insane? I still don't know why her crew didn't stick her in the brig or send her to an ice planet with no rations around a black hole (which acording the JJ Abrams is a logical thing to do that a star ship crew will follow without question) 

Sent 70,000 light years into the edge of the Delta quadrant about with the Bajorn Wormhole only about 50-60,000 light years away through at that point unchartered space with no known dangers... she choose to travel through the Delta quardrant where the Borg orginated who would likely destroy the ship, assimilate the crew and no one would get home ever... 

Of course they weakened the Borg to the point of being less scary then the Ferengi when someone relized the mistake. It is the show that killed trek... the first season of Enterprise was the coffin, and Nemisis was the nails. 

monkeyfoot 5/13/2013 8:52:43 AM

One episode you missed from ST:TNG that I realy, really, really hated was called The Outcast. It featured Ryker working alongside an androgenous alien who eventually reveals she isn't really neuter but actually female and male/female aspects are forbidden on her planet. Ryker suddenly falls more in love with her than any woman he has ever known with and along with Worf makes a failed attempt to rescue her from persecution.

I understand the intent of the episode as an allegory for persecution of gay people in today's society but it was incredibly bad episode because it had nothing to do with how Ryker's character had always been portrayed. In many ways he was a Kirk knock-off. He was always shown to be attracted to strong willed, very feminine woman from Deanna Troi to a casual fling with an Irish country girl from a colony, and even his ideal woman created as a hologram by aliens. Suddenly he was head over heels for an extremely milquetoast woman with near neutral $exuality and no personality. Moreso he was willing to end his career in order to rescue her. His Starfleet life was always shown to be his primary calling often even more than the women he loved. Now he throws it away in a second.

Geez, even writing this makes me mad how stupid that episode was. They should have done it with Geordi. It would have made some sense then.

jackwagon 5/13/2013 10:39:05 AM

 @ monkeyfoot,

Spot on analysis of The Outcast.  I remember when I first watched that episode as a kid and didn't pick up on the social undertones at the time.  I was bored out of my mind from the stupid "conflict" the episode had, and now that I'm older and get its overall message, I found it to be really idiotic.  

And how has the TNG episode "Genesis" not come up in this discussion yet?  Barclay turns into a spider, Riker becomes a caveman, and Troi is a fish?


SarcasticCaveman 5/13/2013 11:19:35 AM

Troi almost caught of bad case of Klingon crabs in that episode too, jackwagon.

mellowdoux 5/13/2013 11:26:09 AM

 The most horrible episode of ST:TNG was definitely "Shades of Gray".

Riker is poisoned by a plant and lays on the operating table "Dreaming" of old adventures. What we get is and episode of clip footage from old episodes, interspersed with "We're losing him! We're losing him!... Oh, no we're not. He's stabilized!" banter in Sick Bay.

The most damning thing???


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