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redhairs99 5/13/2013 12:09:13 PM

I actually liked the finale for Enterprise even if Troi and Riker were showing their age.  Still it was a cool idea to bring in the show continuity, though I can understand how some feel like the main cast was cheated as guest stars, I suppose.

Actually, that whole final season was really damned good with all the arcs that helped tie up loose ends in the continuity of the whole of Trek.

SarcasticCaveman 5/13/2013 12:37:09 PM

 My problem with the Enterprise finale wasn't the crew being guest stars, but rather it showed me how little faith the producers had in their own show.  I loved the show even before it found it's feet, but the finale told me that the producers must have equated low ratings with poor product, so they brought in marketable characters to try and make something they thought would work.  So the entire episode is just Riker in the Enterprise D holodeck pondering weighty matters...imagine if Smallville did an entire episode of Clark moping in the hayloft.  Yeah, I thought it was that lame.

violator14 5/13/2013 3:50:58 PM

 Monkeyfoot-LOL. Riker would stick his penis into an alien tiger if it came onto him. 


karas1 5/13/2013 3:55:38 PM

Jackwagon, Outcast seems quaint now but I remember when it was first broadcast and, like Kirk kissing Uhura, was revolutinary.  I was at a house party with all my old friends from college and several of my friends there were gay.  They were thrilled.

It was a time when the gay community was just starting to make noise.  A TV show that implied that gays were just like everybody else was bold and daring.  That doesn't make it a great episode but it's hardly as lame as you think it is.

Mellowdoux, Shades of Gray was a clip show, a device used by many TV shows to save money by using clips from other episodes.  It was a particurlarly clumsy script.  As I recall they were making Riker remember specific memories to evoke certain emotions because the chemicals humans produce while feeling emotions would kill this parasite that Riker was infected with (or something).  They were trying various emotions to find the proper hormone. 

The two TNG episodes I hated most were Genesis (did you know that humans evolved from spiders?) and one where the Enterprise was turning into an Aztec temple for some reason.  The episode was written to showcase Brent Spiner as Data had a bad case of multiple personalities.  He chewed the scenery quite well but I was too destracted by wondering how the ship retained hull integrity when it was turning to stone to pay much attention to the acting.

violator14 5/13/2013 4:13:51 PM

 karas-I think Barclay turned into a spider because he was the host of the virus. Perhaps it changed him differently

The Aztec temple thing- only the inside was changed, not the hull yet. Which is why they had to hurry up and stop it before hull integrity was threatened.

SarcasticCaveman 5/13/2013 4:35:59 PM

 I thought that the plague in "Genesis" was just causing random dormant genes to activate and causing others to deactivate.  I'm pretty sure humans did not evolve from spiders, but we do share a greater portion of our DNA with them than you may think.  At the end of the day it's just a stupid episode all around.  I have always wondered how many takes it took for Patrick Stewart to not burst out laughing when Data tells him that he'll likely turn into a large lemur.

SarcasticCaveman 5/13/2013 4:45:17 PM

 I also agree that "Masks" was a pretty bizarre (borderline stupid, IMO) episode, but at the end of the day I look at it like this - numerous times throughout the various series, they have had episodes where the concept of "magic is just advanced technology we don't understand yet" was explored.  In a universe with beings like the Q, I'm willing to buy an alien artifact that can rearrange and alter matter.  In fact, isn't that what replicators do?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but in one episode of "Enterprise", Trip had an attitude about being asked a "poop" question by a grade schooler - it was explained that all waste on the ship was converted into useable matter that could be formed into whatever provisions they might need.  Transforming the Enterprise into a stone temple is still stupid, but there is plenty of precedent.

violator14 5/13/2013 5:46:45 PM

 Caveman- def right about the genesis episode. And btw even tho the Aztec temple episode was a lil bizarre, it's like a masterpiece compared to most of those episodes from the beginning seasons. The ones where they still had those lines on their uniforms... Haha

karas1 5/13/2013 8:30:10 PM

I had understood that in Genesis people were deevolving into creatures which humans had directly evolved from.  Therefore, a human might turn into a monkey or the mouse like mammal the monkey evolved from or a fish (which is a creature that human ancestors evolved from at some point) but not a spider (or a lemur which is a different offshoot of primates and not a direct ancestor of humans).  But it's been a while since I saw the episode so I might be misremembering it.

Miner49er 5/13/2013 11:41:23 PM

Why does the space hippie look like Quentin Tarantino?

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