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TV Wasteland: Let the LOST and Heroes Comparisons Begin

Attention Carlton, Jeph Loed Needs a Job

By Stephen Lackey     November 10, 2008


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Heroes has not been the disaster this season that everyone has be proclaiming it to be, but it has been much weaker than season one. The show recently saw its lowest ratings to date and in response a couple of the primary writer/producers were fired by NBC. These creators were defectors from LOST, the most important of which being Jeph Loeb.
 
LOST went through a very weak six episode run last year that nearly destroyed the series but thanks to Carlton Cues and Damon Lindelof getting hardcore with ABC about their vision for the series and fresh writing and producing from Brian K. Vaughan, the season finished outstandingly and managed to bring back many fans who had given up on it during that weak six episode run. LOST and Heroes are two completely different shows but because they share fans and many creators they’ve always been compared. At this point, Heroes appears to be the weaker of the two shows making the return of LOST even more exciting. Fans want a solid show to watch every week, not a show they have to make excuses for in order to enjoy. They already have Smallville for that. Jeph Loeb may have defected from LOST to early but he was around for the early days of the series. Maybe it’s time he returns to that series and bring his talent in alongside Brian K. Vaughan to show NBC what they “lost” by letting him go. On the other hand, Heroes needs to make a LOST style recovery and letting Loeb go and bringing in new blood might be just what the doctor ordered.
 
LOST does have a lot to live up to this season too. The show ended great last year but it’s important that it come back with a bang and maintain the level of quality set last year in order to hold on to its fan base and continue to bring back fans who gave up on it during the weak run of episodes. The tale will be told for the series on January 21st when LOST returns with a three hour event. The writer’s strike did some major damage to most of the new shows trying to get started this years so we need shows like Heroes and LOST to be great because we can’t count on most of the new offerings.
 
All the big ones are back this week, Heroes, Terminator and Fringe. seems like it’s been much longer than it actually has since we saw new installments of Heroes and Fringe so hopefully, these episodes will be great. Chuck, Prison Break, and Stargate Atlantis are all also new this week. Stargate fans are anticipating the series finale coming soon so every episode left should be a great one.
 
Monday
 
CHUCK (NBC, 8PM EST) CHUCK VERSUS THE EX
 
Chuck chances upon his ex-flame (Jordana Brewster) and embellishes his status in life to impress her. But Chuck must get into spy mode upon discovering that her research-scientist boss may be involved in the development of a bioweapon. Meanwhile, Buy More's efficiency expert (Tony Hale) enforces a mandatory CPR course, conducted by none other than Captain Awesome himself.
 
TERMINATOR: SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX, 8PM EST) MR. FERGUSON IS ILL TODAY
 
Riley and John abscond to Mexico with unfortunate consequences; Sarah encounters Ellison in a face-to-face meeting.
 
PRISON BREAK (FOX, 9PM EST) THE LEGEND
 
Gretchen gives Michael the rest of the bird book, but he suffers another seizure after deciphering it, so the others must carry out his two-pronged plan: one leading back to the basement, the other to an architect named David Allen Baker (Keith Szarabajka). Meanwhile, Pad Man goes forward with his plan to move Scylla, and Self is told by an influential senator that the deal Homeland Security made with the gang is "off the table."
 
HEROES (NBC, 9PM EST) VILLAINS
 
Hiro follows Arthur in the past to uncover what drove him to create Pinehearst; Meredith's brother disrupts her new life and training under the tutelage of Thompson (Eric Roberts); and Elle and Noah's persistence prevents Sylar from stopping his quest.
 
MY OWN WORST ENEMY (NBC, 10PM EST) THAT IS NOT MY SON
 
Henry awakens amidst gunfire during Edward's mission and places a panicked call to Mavis, which a fellow agent (Michelle Krusiec) overhears. Elsewhere, Mary's suspicions about Tom are confirmed.
 
Tuesday
 
FRINGE (FOX, 8PM EST) IN WHICH WE MEET MR. JONES
 
The appearance of a strange parasite inside the body of an ailing FBI agent prompts a hurried trip to Germany for Olivia, who learns even more unpleasant news from a man imprisoned there. Meanwhile, Dr. Bishop and Peter try to read a dead man's brain waves.
 
THE MENTALIST (CBS, 9PM EST) RED HANDED
 
The investigation of a casino owner's death finds Jane working his skills at the card table to solve the murder---and win some cash.
 
Wednesday
 
KNIGHT RIDER (NBC, 8PM EST) I WANNA ROCK N’ ROLL ALL KNIGHT
 
Mike and KITT rev up to take down a politically connected criminal couple who are out to reveal classified information related to Knight Industries.
 
GHOST HUNTERS (SCIFI, 9PM EST) ALL ACCESS
 
TAPS recalls their favorite investigations. Host: Josh Gates.
 
Thursday
 
SMALLVILLE (CW, 8PM EST) ABYSS
 
Brainiac slowly takes over Chloe's mind until the only person she remembers is Davis. In an effort to save her, Clark rebuilds the Fortress of Solitude in order to seek help from Jor-El.
 
SUPERNATURAL (CW, 9PM EST) I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER
 
Sam and Dean search for a young woman who can hear conversations between angels after Ruby tells them a powerful demon is on the prowl to find her.
 
ELEVENTH HOUR (CBS, 10PM EST) FROZEN
 
Hood investigates when a woman's frozen body is discovered on a hot beach and it shows no signs of thawing.
 
LIFE ON MARS (CBS, 10PM EST) TUESDAY’S DEAD
 
A hostage crisis at County Hospital finds Sam, Ray, Annie and Lt. Hunt in a gunman's crosshairs while he tries to force a doctor to reverse a dangerous operation on the hostage taker's brother. Meanwhile, Sam is troubled by a phone call in which he seems to hear his mother's voice in 2008 begging him to wake up.
 
Friday
 
CRUSOE (NBC, 8PM EST) LONG PIG
 
Crusoe has a crisis of conscience when he considers stealing a boat from cannibals who brought captives to the island.
 
STARGATE ATLANTIS (SCIFI, 9PM EST) REMNANTS
 
Woolsey faces an uncertain future in the form of a performance evaluation; Zelenka and McKay examine an object discovered on the ocean floor; Sheppard encounters an ambush.
 
SANCTUARY (SCIFI, 9PM EST) THE FIVE
 
Magnus goes to Rome to attend a secret meeting of abnormals, and learns from an old colleague that a dangerous organization is tracking her. Meanwhile, Will probes disturbing matters at the Sanctuary.
 
Saturday
 
LEGEND OF THE SEEKER (CHECK LOCAL LISTINGS) BRENNIDON
 
Richard travels to Brennidon, the village of his birth, and finds that the D'Harans have assumed control.
 
Sunday
 
SIMPSONS (FOX, 8PM EST) HOMER AND LISA EXCHANGE
 
Lisa becomes an expert at solving crossword puzzles and enters a tournament, where Homer gets involved with an underground betting ring. Voices include crossword editor Will Shortz and crossword creator Merl Reagle as themselves.
 
 
FAMILY GUY (FOX, 9PM EST) TALES OF THIRD GRADE NOTHING
 
Peter strives for a promotion at the brewery because he wants a key to the executive bathroom, but first he has to go back to school because he never passed third grade. Meanwhile, Brian and Frank Sinatra Jr. (who provides his own voice) buy the down-on-its-heels Quahog Cabana Club, but it's Stewie who livens it up. Voice of Angela: Carrie Fisher.
 
TRUE BLOOD (HBO, 9PM EST) TO LOVE IS TO BURY
 
Bill satisfies the requirements of his punishment; Tara's call for help is answered by a good Samaritan; Lafayette surprises a two-faced state senator on the campaign trail; Jason gets in more trouble with the law; and Sookie tries to find the meaning of her latest vision.

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morjana 11/10/2008 1:17:52 AM

Last week's episode of Stargate Atlantis, 'The Progidal," rocked. Looking foward to this week's episode, 'Remnants,' as there appears there will be significant Shep whumping involved. Oh, our poor, poor Shep! :)

hanso 11/10/2008 9:28:07 AM
<P itxtvisited="1">"Heroes has not been the disaster this season that everyone has be proclaiming it to be,"</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Then what do you call the firing of two of their main people, articles on websites and major publications (EW)about the problems the series is having, and the series dropping from double digit viewership for the first time ever? Not to mention Ubisoft just canceled Heroes the videogame.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">"LOST went through a very weak six episode run last year that nearly destroyed the series"</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Ok, first it wasn't last year, it was the 3rd season back in 2006, second nearly destroyed? The 1st six episodes of the 3rd season were getting like 16 mil viewership. Most of the complains for those particular 6 episodes were the fact that a lot of the rest of castaways weren't getting screen time since the 6 eps focused mostly on Jack, Sawyer and Kate. The other problem was not enough answers(but this ran through the season) due to the fact that the series had no end sight so the creators had to fill seasons with filler eps and leave mysteries for future seasons. I don't understand how the 6 episodes qualifies has nearly destroying the series.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Here's the thing though.  After the hiatus the series took in between episodes 6 and 7, the producers heard the complains and went ahead and addressed them.  So when the Lost team had a chance to fix something they did.  Heroes sadly has already had this chance and failed at it.  The series was going through a weak Season 2, even Kring admitted it and went on to address those issues and look where he is at now.  He's got more problems.  Even with the firing of Loeb and the other guy, we'll probably not see a change in awhile since I think those two had already worked on all the way up to the 17th episode of the series, unless the upcoming volume "Fugitives" blows everyone away then we might see something earlier.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">I've said this before, Kring should go back to his original idea of telling different stories with different heroes in different parts of the world.  He said there were Heroes all over the world, but for 3 seasons, everything always leads up to New York.  How about setting the series somewhere else for 1 season.  Maybe somewhere in Europe. He should think about having each season be a stand alone one, like they do in 24, then have the Heroes have cameos or mini story arcs in another season.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">The other thing he can do, is have an end in my mind for the Heroes story and then tell NBC he's going to be working towards that end date.  I also think if he makes less episodes it will help out the series.  NBC should think about dropping to around 13 episodes per season.  Look how well that works out for the FX shows like The Shield, Nip/Tuck or the Showtime and HBO ones, Dexter, True Blood.</P>
Tonebone 11/10/2008 10:24:01 AM

I don't think Heroes has been a disaster as well. I do think there are some flaws, but what show doesn't have them.

 

Again, I don't watch Lost, but both seem to me to be two different shows. So I don't see what the need for comparison is

isgrimner 11/10/2008 10:37:35 AM
<P itxtvisited="1">I have never really compared Lost to Heros.  I've always thought Lost was vastly superior.  I like Heros, but I don't think season 1 was as good as many thought it was, nor do I think the shortened season was really as bad as some thought.  </P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">For me, Lost is just a fresher idea and more interesting.   Heros is too much like the X-Men comics, and while I like the X-Men comics a lot, Heros just seems like it has already been done before in my mind. Nothing about Heros really surprises me much.</P>
Hobbs 11/10/2008 10:48:32 AM

Hanso, you are the man!!!  As soon as I read that article I knew you were going to have a lot to say about it.  You don't disappoint.  I couldn't agree with you more.  You pretty much said everything I would say.

There should be no comparison to these two shows...you would be better to compare Heroes to the 4400 which btw, 4400 kicks the shit out of Heroes every time.

scoundrel 11/10/2008 10:57:55 AM

Let the Heroes vs. Lost Comparisons begin?  Dude, where have you been?  That's been going on since Heroes first aired (which, as Hanso pointed out, was TWO years ago when Lost had that unfortunate 6 episode run, split for many months, 16 episode run).  I remember people ridiculing the shaky beginning of Lost season 3 and holding up Heroes as a banner of HOW TV SHOULD BE MADE.  I also remember Lost fans laughing and saying, "Yeah, we'll see where Heroes is a couple years from now."  

Looks like the time's arrived.  There were some shaky times for Lost, but even that season they came back out of the hiatus swinging and completely upped the bar for the series.  Then came back with another stellar season.  Most importantly, I've always felt Lindelof and Cuse have stayed true to their vision (except for that whole Paolo/Nikki fiasco, which they buried well).  And though I love BKV more than any other comic scribe, he's the first one to say he was only a small part of the change.  He certainly helped, but what really gave Lost the boost was having an endpoint. 

Something I don't believe Heroes needs.  Personally, I've always thought the comparisons were pretty stupid.  Lost is something more fresh and original.  Heroes is X-Men.  Heroes is not Lost.  It is not one story.  It should be a volume of different stories.  Kring used to want to do different heroes every seaons, and I think he dropped the ball and should've gone with that route, maybe including cameos from the orignal or something.   

slackey 11/10/2008 11:30:39 AM

Hanso,

The firing of two producers is a big deal but it happens more often than you think.  I'm mainly saying that the worst episode of this season was still better than the best episode from last season.

That six episode run of LOST was generally weak.  Sure there were 16 million viewers for some of the episodes but the viewers dropped as low as 12. For a series that was getting 25, that's a huge drop which is why the epsidoes are generally considered weak.  When those episodes were airing the network and producers were scrambling to recover their lost viewers and that is why the producers and network redesigned the seasons to the shortened 16 episodes each that we are getting now.  The situation is a compromise between the network and producers so the producers don't have to overpad the series like they were doing with those six episodes and the network still gets a tentpole show for more seasons.

I do agree with you that Heroes may have missed its chance to recover the way LOST did. The show was once great and I hope it does recover though. The true fix for this series is to kill off the dead weight and focus more on the best heroes and give them some more depth and emotional impact so we can start caring about them again.

Scoundrel,

I know the comparisons have been made before but they are starting up fresh again around the web because of the announcement of the start date of LOST.  I also agree that they are two different shows which is why I mention in the article why I believe they are always compared.

slackey 11/10/2008 11:32:42 AM

Hanso,

The firing of two producers is a big deal but it happens more often than you think.  I'm mainly saying that the worst episode of this season was still better than the best episode from last season.

That six episode run of LOST was generally weak.  Sure there were 16 million viewers for some of the episodes but the viewers dropped as low as 12. For a series that was getting 25, that's a huge drop which is why the epsidoes are generally considered weak.  When those episodes were airing the network and producers were scrambling to recover their lost viewers and that is why the producers and network redesigned the seasons to the shortened 16 episodes each that we are getting now.  The situation is a compromise between the network and producers so the producers don't have to overpad the series like they were doing with those six episodes and the network still gets a tentpole show for more seasons.

I do agree with you that Heroes may have missed its chance to recover the way LOST did. The show was once great and I hope it does recover though. The true fix for this series is to kill off the dead weight and focus more on the best heroes and give them some more depth and emotional impact so we can start caring about them again.

Scoundrel,

I know the comparisons have been made before but they are starting up fresh again around the web because of the announcement of the start date of LOST.  I also agree that they are two different shows which is why I mention in the article why I believe they are always compared.

redhairs99 11/10/2008 12:46:36 PM

Last week's Sanctuary was actually a pretty fun episode even if it was a tribbles rip-off.  I've been on the fence about the show and I still am, but this was a good episode.

So sad Atlantis is ending.  I did just read that Sci-Fi will basically turn into the Stargate: Atlantis channel for the week before the Finale on Jan. 9th.  They'll be running 11 hours of Atlantis a day starting on Jan. 2nd.

Hobbs 11/10/2008 2:11:09 PM

redhair, you are right about Sanctuary. I still don't know what to think of that show...feels like something is missing but I can't put a finger on it.  It's lacking a character or something...

The thing that sucks about Atlantis getting the boot was that in season 4 it finally found its grove and this season has been pretty good as well. I really like this last weeks episode and how they tied up the Michael storyline.  I can't help but think this would have been back next season if they weren't doing the Stargate 90210 spinoff.  At least we'll have future movies with it like they are doing with SG-1. 

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