Last week's episode of Stargate Atlantis, 'The Progidal," rocked. Looking foward to this week's episode, 'Remnants,' as there appears there will be significant Shep whumping involved. Oh, our poor, poor Shep! :)

<P itxtvisited="1">"Heroes has not been the disaster this season that everyone has be proclaiming it to be,"</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Then what do you call the firing of two of their main people, articles on websites and major publications (EW)about the problems the series is having, and the series dropping from double digit viewership for the first time ever? Not to mention Ubisoft just canceled Heroes the videogame.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">"LOST went through a very weak six episode run last year that nearly destroyed the series"</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Ok, first it wasn't last year, it was the 3rd season back in 2006, second nearly destroyed? The 1st six episodes of the 3rd season were getting like 16 mil viewership. Most of the complains for those particular 6 episodes were the fact that a lot of the rest of castaways weren't getting screen time since the 6 eps focused mostly on Jack, Sawyer and Kate. The other problem was not enough answers(but this ran through the season) due to the fact that the series had no end sight so the creators had to fill seasons with filler eps and leave mysteries for future seasons. I don't understand how the 6 episodes qualifies has nearly destroying the series.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">Here's the thing though.  After the hiatus the series took in between episodes 6 and 7, the producers heard the complains and went ahead and addressed them.  So when the Lost team had a chance to fix something they did.  Heroes sadly has already had this chance and failed at it.  The series was going through a weak Season 2, even Kring admitted it and went on to address those issues and look where he is at now.  He's got more problems.  Even with the firing of Loeb and the other guy, we'll probably not see a change in awhile since I think those two had already worked on all the way up to the 17th episode of the series, unless the upcoming volume "Fugitives" blows everyone away then we might see something earlier.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">I've said this before, Kring should go back to his original idea of telling different stories with different heroes in different parts of the world.  He said there were Heroes all over the world, but for 3 seasons, everything always leads up to New York.  How about setting the series somewhere else for 1 season.  Maybe somewhere in Europe. He should think about having each season be a stand alone one, like they do in 24, then have the Heroes have cameos or mini story arcs in another season.</P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">The other thing he can do, is have an end in my mind for the Heroes story and then tell NBC he's going to be working towards that end date.  I also think if he makes less episodes it will help out the series.  NBC should think about dropping to around 13 episodes per season.  Look how well that works out for the FX shows like The Shield, Nip/Tuck or the Showtime and HBO ones, Dexter, True Blood.</P>

I don't think Heroes has been a disaster as well. I do think there are some flaws, but what show doesn't have them.

 

Again, I don't watch Lost, but both seem to me to be two different shows. So I don't see what the need for comparison is

<P itxtvisited="1">I have never really compared Lost to Heros.  I've always thought Lost was vastly superior.  I like Heros, but I don't think season 1 was as good as many thought it was, nor do I think the shortened season was really as bad as some thought.  </P><BR itxtvisited="1" /> <P itxtvisited="1">For me, Lost is just a fresher idea and more interesting.   Heros is too much like the X-Men comics, and while I like the X-Men comics a lot, Heros just seems like it has already been done before in my mind. Nothing about Heros really surprises me much.</P>

Hanso, you are the man!!!  As soon as I read that article I knew you were going to have a lot to say about it.  You don't disappoint.  I couldn't agree with you more.  You pretty much said everything I would say.

There should be no comparison to these two shows...you would be better to compare Heroes to the 4400 which btw, 4400 kicks the shit out of Heroes every time.

Let the Heroes vs. Lost Comparisons begin?  Dude, where have you been?  That's been going on since Heroes first aired (which, as Hanso pointed out, was TWO years ago when Lost had that unfortunate 6 episode run, split for many months, 16 episode run).  I remember people ridiculing the shaky beginning of Lost season 3 and holding up Heroes as a banner of HOW TV SHOULD BE MADE.  I also remember Lost fans laughing and saying, "Yeah, we'll see where Heroes is a couple years from now."  

Looks like the time's arrived.  There were some shaky times for Lost, but even that season they came back out of the hiatus swinging and completely upped the bar for the series.  Then came back with another stellar season.  Most importantly, I've always felt Lindelof and Cuse have stayed true to their vision (except for that whole Paolo/Nikki fiasco, which they buried well).  And though I love BKV more than any other comic scribe, he's the first one to say he was only a small part of the change.  He certainly helped, but what really gave Lost the boost was having an endpoint. 

Something I don't believe Heroes needs.  Personally, I've always thought the comparisons were pretty stupid.  Lost is something more fresh and original.  Heroes is X-Men.  Heroes is not Lost.  It is not one story.  It should be a volume of different stories.  Kring used to want to do different heroes every seaons, and I think he dropped the ball and should've gone with that route, maybe including cameos from the orignal or something.   

Hanso,

The firing of two producers is a big deal but it happens more often than you think.  I'm mainly saying that the worst episode of this season was still better than the best episode from last season.

That six episode run of LOST was generally weak.  Sure there were 16 million viewers for some of the episodes but the viewers dropped as low as 12. For a series that was getting 25, that's a huge drop which is why the epsidoes are generally considered weak.  When those episodes were airing the network and producers were scrambling to recover their lost viewers and that is why the producers and network redesigned the seasons to the shortened 16 episodes each that we are getting now.  The situation is a compromise between the network and producers so the producers don't have to overpad the series like they were doing with those six episodes and the network still gets a tentpole show for more seasons.

I do agree with you that Heroes may have missed its chance to recover the way LOST did. The show was once great and I hope it does recover though. The true fix for this series is to kill off the dead weight and focus more on the best heroes and give them some more depth and emotional impact so we can start caring about them again.

Scoundrel,

I know the comparisons have been made before but they are starting up fresh again around the web because of the announcement of the start date of LOST.  I also agree that they are two different shows which is why I mention in the article why I believe they are always compared.

Hanso,

The firing of two producers is a big deal but it happens more often than you think.  I'm mainly saying that the worst episode of this season was still better than the best episode from last season.

That six episode run of LOST was generally weak.  Sure there were 16 million viewers for some of the episodes but the viewers dropped as low as 12. For a series that was getting 25, that's a huge drop which is why the epsidoes are generally considered weak.  When those episodes were airing the network and producers were scrambling to recover their lost viewers and that is why the producers and network redesigned the seasons to the shortened 16 episodes each that we are getting now.  The situation is a compromise between the network and producers so the producers don't have to overpad the series like they were doing with those six episodes and the network still gets a tentpole show for more seasons.

I do agree with you that Heroes may have missed its chance to recover the way LOST did. The show was once great and I hope it does recover though. The true fix for this series is to kill off the dead weight and focus more on the best heroes and give them some more depth and emotional impact so we can start caring about them again.

Scoundrel,

I know the comparisons have been made before but they are starting up fresh again around the web because of the announcement of the start date of LOST.  I also agree that they are two different shows which is why I mention in the article why I believe they are always compared.

Last week's Sanctuary was actually a pretty fun episode even if it was a tribbles rip-off.  I've been on the fence about the show and I still am, but this was a good episode.

So sad Atlantis is ending.  I did just read that Sci-Fi will basically turn into the Stargate: Atlantis channel for the week before the Finale on Jan. 9th.  They'll be running 11 hours of Atlantis a day starting on Jan. 2nd.

redhair, you are right about Sanctuary. I still don't know what to think of that show...feels like something is missing but I can't put a finger on it.  It's lacking a character or something...

The thing that sucks about Atlantis getting the boot was that in season 4 it finally found its grove and this season has been pretty good as well. I really like this last weeks episode and how they tied up the Michael storyline.  I can't help but think this would have been back next season if they weren't doing the Stargate 90210 spinoff.  At least we'll have future movies with it like they are doing with SG-1.