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WATCHMEN producers speak up

Larry Gordon and Lloyd Levin have their say

By Rob M. Worley     January 09, 2009
Source: Various


WATCHMEN legal battle between Warner Bros and 20th Century Fox (slideshow)
© Mania.Com/Josh Gordon

As the 'Watchmen' legal battle pitches forward, a question mark has hovered over producer Larry Gordon, who shepherded the movie from studio-to-studio after initially setting the project up with Fox almost 20 years ago.

In his controversial December 24th ruling U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess took Gordon to task and insinuated that he sandbagged during his testimony.

"Gordon’s testimony regarding the facts, circumstances, and events surrounding the negotiation of the 1994 agreements would have been of assistance to the Court in evaluating the objectives of the parties at that time. However, Gordon refused to testify on that subject during his deposition because he supposedly could not separate what he knows based on his own recollection from what he learned from counsel. Gordon’s counsel therefore asserted the attorney/client privilege and instructed Gordon not to answer any questions on the subject. The Court takes a dim view of this conduct and questions whether the assertion of the privilege was proper. Moreover, the assertion of the privilege does have a consequence: having now reached a decision based on the record before it, the Court will not, during the remainder of this case, receive any evidence from Gordon that attempts to contradict any aspect of this Court’s ruling on the copyright issues under discussion."

In their filing, lawyers for 20th Century Fox intimated that Warner Bros. would try to off-load blame and financial responsibility for the debacle on Gordon.

Well, Gordon isn't taking it sitting down. According to today's Hollywood Reporter, Gordon issued a lengthy letter to Judge Feess putting Fox directly in the cross-hairs, and describing his version of events. The letter, filed on Wednesday by his lawyers, stated that he has been subjected to "significant public scorn" for his role in the studio battle and arguing his case that he answered deposition questions "to the best of his knowledge."

Gordon argues that, in his 1994 turnaround agreement with Fox he and apparently his attorneys were unaware of a 1991 quitclaim agreement that granted Fox distribution rights to the film and a share of profits if Gordon made it elsewhere. This document is the foundation of Fox's argument.

"It is Mr. Gordon's position that the execution of the 1994 turnaround agreement was the result of either a mutual mistake by both parties or a unilateral mistake made by his counsel, on which Mr. Gordon relied," the letter says.

However, Judge Feess apparently dismissed Gordon's letter without reading it, calling it an "improper communication" in violation of court rules.

At the same time, Gordon's producing partner, Lloyd Levin has taken to the internet to posit their side of the argument in the court of public opinion. In an open letter posted on HitFix.com, Levin gives a detailed accounting of his and Gordon's efforts to push the film through the daunting and discouraging process that's rightly referred to as development HELL.

In it he paints a picture of a Fox studio that was completely disinterested in the project (along with every other studio in town), for most of the 20 or so years its been kicking around. This continued until 2005. Levin writes:

From my point of view, the flashpoint of this dispute, came in late spring of 2005. Both Fox and Warner Brothers were offered the chance to make Watchmen. They were submitted the same package, at the same time. It included a cover letter describing the project and its history, budget information, a screenplay, the graphic novel, and it made mention that a top director was involved.

And it's at this point, where the response from both parties could not have been more radically different.

"The response we got from Fox was a flat "pass." That's it. An internal Fox email documents that executives there felt the script was one of the most unintelligible pieces of shit they had read in years. Conversely, Warner Brothers called us after having read the script and said they were interested in the movie - yes, they were unsure of the screenplay, and had many questions, but wanted to set a meeting to discuss the project, which they promptly did. Did anyone at Fox ask to meet on the movie? No. Did anyone at Fox express any interest in the movie? No. Express even the slightest interest in the movie? Or the graphic novel? No.

From there, the executives at Warner Brothers, who weren't yet completely comfortable with the movie, made a deal to acquire the movie rights and we all started to creatively explore the possibility of making Watchmen. We discussed creative approaches and started offering the movie to directors, our former director having moved on by then. After a few director submissions, Zack Snyder came onboard, well before the release of his movie 300. In fact, well before its completion. This was a gut, creative call by Larry, me and the studio... Zack didn't have a huge commercial track record, yet we all felt he was the right guy for the movie.

Warner Brothers continued to support, both financially and creatively, the development of the movie. And eventually, after over a year of work, they agreed to make the film, based on a script that, for what it's worth, was by and large very similar to the one Fox initially read and deemed an unintelligible piece of shit.

Clearly supporting Warner Bros in this, Levin continues:

Shouldn't Warner Brothers be entitled to the spoils - if any -- of the risk they took in supporting and making Watchmen? Should Fox have any claim on something they could have had but chose to neither support nor show any interest in?

Look at it another way... One reason the movie was made was because Warner Brothers spent the time, effort and money to engage with and develop the project. If Watchmen was at Fox the decision to make the movie would never have been made because there was no interest in moving forward with the project.

Finally, Levin implores Fox to do the right thing:

For the sake of the artists involved, for the hundreds of people, executives and filmmakers, actors and crew, who invested their time, their money, and dedicated a good portion of their lives in order to bring this extraordinary project to life, the question of what is right is clear and unambiguous - Fox should stand down with its claim.

Visit HitFix.com for Levin's complete comments.

'Watchmen' remains scheduled for a March 6 release. The Hollywood Reporter cites unnamed sources who claim that settlement discussions are at least taking place. It seems unlikely that the in junction of the movie will happen. A trial in front of Judge Feess remains scheduled for January 20th.

COMMENTS AND RESPONSES

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Hobbs 1/9/2009 7:33:49 AM

Okay, as I have continued to say this movie will come out when its supposed to.  They'll work something out.

It's still an interesting case, however.  Levin has a point but so does Fox.  As I and many of you have said if this movie didn't look cool and probably going to be the first big blockbuster of the year Fox wouldn't have given a shit about it.  Greed...that's what it boils down to and I'm sure WB will pan up the cash to make Fox go away.

hanso 1/9/2009 10:18:54 AM

After reading this I hate Fox even more than this site's new layout.

Dartter 1/9/2009 11:51:12 AM

Even though Fox is being superbly fucked up in this, it's kind of a don't hate the player hate the game situation. If Warner Bros. had done their homework and had their lawers invesigate the relation between Gordon and Fox the quitclaim would have discovered and a better desicion would have been made. Or the movie wouldn't have gotten made at all.

It's called survival instincts and Fox has not done too well in the last couple of years. They do have Avatar coming up later this year so this Watchmen thing is going to be cash on the side for them since it works in their favor. Nature of the business.

fft5305 1/9/2009 12:38:47 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Fox to step down. I agree with Dartter that it's not exactly all Fox's fault. Any studio that thinks it has a legitimate or even iffy claim to a movie will sue to get a piece of the pie. That's the nature of the beast. I'm not saying their timing or the way they're going about it is exactly morally sound, but it's probably strategically the best way to go for them. In any case, Fox won't prevent the movie from coming out. If the movie doesn't come out, no one makes money off it.  Fox doesn't want a piece of nothing, it wants a piece of the likely huge profits Watchmen will make.

Hey, speaking of the new layout, anyone else having problems a) updating their profile, and b) viewing their comments? When the comments page loads, it's just a big blank white space where my comments should be... Mania, why do you insist on continually "improving" your site? We had just gotten used to the last round of changes, then you pull this shit. Cut it out!

Wallace85 1/9/2009 12:52:45 PM

 

Fox May God Have Mercy On Your Souls & to the same guy who thought this was a great new layout for this site & to the previous layout from before.

hanso 1/9/2009 1:08:07 PM

After rereading this letter I have come to the conclusion that I hate Fox but not as much as this site's new layout.

FFT, I have the same issues.  I also can't get any friend requests going out and some of my friends got erased from my list.  You can voice your concerns over in the Forums.  Jarrod stops by and listens.  Don't know when the fixes are coming.

AMiSHPiRATE 1/9/2009 1:38:06 PM

 hanso, sometimes it's like you write my very soul.

xenomorph 1/9/2009 2:15:31 PM

All I want is to see is Jacky Earl Haley as Rorschach. Is that too much to ask?

redhairs99 1/9/2009 3:55:00 PM

fft5305, have to agree on the comments section.

MANIA, CAN WE PLEASE SEE OUR MOST RECENT COMMENTS ON OUR PROFILE PAGE???!!!!!

michaelxaviermaelstrom 1/10/2009 3:12:41 AM

 

I don't have a problem with the new darker layout, except for the puke colored background image.

The New Good Mania Stuff:

1. The new "Groups" section is a good idea.

2. comments from user BLOGS making the front page of Mania now, an excellent  idea.

but the bugs.  uhg.

1. images aren't insertable in blogs (again)

2. Personal blog entries can't be edited.

3. Group blog entries can't be edited.

3. page 2 and onward of blog comments don't load unless you click the double greater than signs (pages "2" and "3" of blog comments et cetera don't load when you click "2" or "3")

4. profile views (mine were at 17,000 then wiped at last Mania "upgrade", then were at 3000 and now they're _wiped entirely_ reading a perpetual "2", well a merry shitcock to you too)

5. half the comments to previous blogs and images have disappeared.

Fix that Bitches.

re: The '91 Quitclaim (Fox retains distribution rights) vs The 94 Turnaround agreement.

I'm not an expert but it seems to me that the papers for the '94 Turnaround agreement (aka the last contract signed by Fox and Gordon) should contain the '91 Quitclaim. 

IF it doesn't, AND Gordon asked for a Chain-of-Title from Fox at the time of the signing of the Turnaround agreement in '94, and Fox DIDN'T include the '91 Quitclaim (as Gordon contends) then I think the WB should be able to argue the terms of the '91 Quitclaim _aren't_ valid.

and further that Fox deliberately _suppressed_ the '91 quitclaim (in which they retain distribution rights to the Watchmen if it's sold to another studio).

On the other side, although the WB's position makes more sense to me (the '94 turnaround agreement being the last contract signed by Gordon and Fox is the valid one) Judges can also do their own chain-of-copyright/title interpretation, and decide that even if it wasn't included in the last contract signed, (and wasn't offered up upon request) it's still valid because it's part of the chain-of-title, and that it's the job of the _copyright purchaser_ to do their own chain-of-title research. 

Judges can apparently decide it's still your fault, Even if the company that owns the copyright deliberately tries to frag your chain-of-title research up by "accidentally forgetting" to inform you of a contract written decades ago, that ultimately gives them the right to distribute YOUR movie (when you make it, 15 years later).

Judge Feess has sided with Fox before though, over the Dukes of Hazzard movie (which cost WB 17.5 million dollars to settle) so it's probably in the WB's interest to settle, again, given this Judge's history.

Which according to Reuters , is precisely what the WB and Fox are now doing.


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